Fox was not to blame for this in any way. The producer apologized to me after. One can heard the moderator in the background saying that guests shouldn't attack guests. Fox was blind-sided too. This was not even the topic to be discussed - which was censorship -and the pressure on Spotify to now censor their podcasts, including censorship of Joe Rogan. That is 270 people in the science, medicine, healthcare write a letter complaining and then main stream media calls for Spotify to censor their podcasts.
This is a conversation that needs to happen now. As Spotify is now having Rolling Stone calling for them to censor for "public health reasons" If Spotify goes down that garden path, we all lose another alternative news source. That would be huge.
If Spotify censors because 270 doctors write a letter, but ignores the 16,000 that have signed the declaration - it would be a new low in the censorship battle. The move towards hard authoritarianism that this country and many countries in the world are moving towards is real. That is authoritarianism to maintain fascist (really Oligarch) control of big tech, pharma and social media. This is not about public health policy. To remind people, the censorship includes covering up a lab leak that kills millions of people (intensional or not?). They are covering up about why the USA has one of the highest death rates in the world, why the USG has stopped/suppressed early treatment, why the USG refuses to study the adverse events or allow reporting on the adverse events, why Fauci/Collins are allowed to conduct smear campaigns by using big media (such as against the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration), etc. The list goes on and on.
Instead of that discussion, I had Berenson attacking my credentials and early treatment.
I'm shocked he did that--it looked very bad and unprofessional. Thank you for throwing the facts and evidence right back at him, and then redirecting the conversation back to the topic of censorship.
If AB doesn't post an apology or at least an explanation within 24 hours, he is co-opted and let's move on. There is too much important work to do by the esteemed Dr. Malone to deal with this trash. AB can beg for his job back at the New York Slimes or be a talking head at CNN for his next moment of fame.
Seriously, that was just gross. he came off as an opportunist trying to keep a foot in both sides, so he can perhaps regain some of his "friends and and influence" on the left while not totally losing the support from the free speech adherents on the right. Pick a side dude. Attacking probably the most selfless participant in this war right now (Dr. Malone) just comes off as sleazy and gross. I lost 90% of the respect I had for AB, over the course of ONE TV segment.
Dr. Malone- Please, Talk with Alex and ask him why and where he got that information. Please clarify what happened. You are both on the same side of Good. We need both of you and no one should be cancelling our unsubscribing from Alex to show loyalty to you and I hope you convey that sentiment here to your group.
How do we know he is not a plant to divide the opposition to this CoVID propaganda? Why should Dr. Malone talk to him? Alex smeared Dr. Malone. So it Alex's turn to apologize. I just canceled my subscription to him.
I am in agreement with this, at least for now. I still believe that at the heart, Alex and Dr. Malone are fighting for the same thing. I would like to see Alex apologize for choosing that forum--incredibly inappropriate and damaging.
I agree!!! He doesn’t believe there was election fraud. Whose side is he really on? I see the election fraud as related to covid and all that has occurred in the last 2 years. He made his mint from the book and subscriptions, perhaps now ALL he really cares about is HIMSELF! I don’t trust him.
Yes. I didn't vote for Trump, but the 2020 election was obviously stolen using several techniques:
1) the decision to scare-monger a virus that had been circulating world-wide for a year and a half into a pandemic and emergency that could justify onerous policies including unsolicited mail-in ballots in many cases not even signature matched. This allowed deep state actors first to steal the Democratic nomination and later for mules to stuff drop boxes with fraudulent ballots and get them counted.
2) a summer of riots unconcerned with the "pandemic" and an objective of discrediting DJT as either a dictator or ineffectual.
3) suppression of anything negative about Biden including Tara Reade, Hunter's laptop and Biden's own bragging that he interfered in an internal Ukrainian investigation that might have unearthed his son's shenanigans.
4) the false report that DJT called out the guard to clear rioters from the streets so he could have a photo-op.
Even Time magazine admitted that the election was "fortified," with never-Trump Republicans like Lawrence Wilkderson making significant contributions.
No, they are not. Alex Berenson is much like Bari Weiss, trying to preserve the reflexively leftist worldview while having to make common cause with us troglodytes. It makes him nervous to be on Fox and not sliming conservatives, got it? The two of them should be rejected utterly by the Right. All their monetization now comes from us, let's save our cash for actual thinkers and leaders like Dr. Malone. Journalists used to be considered low people in general due to their famously bad ethics and practices. For some reason people have decided that they are something more. But all they do is talk about things others do, yes? That's not much when it comes right down to it. Compared to the work of Dr. Malone? It's not even worth a giggle to compare the two. Stop following Berenson. Yay - he hates it when the govt lies to us and kills us. How does this make him a hero? Cuz he couldn't work in the most dishonest, political journalistic hellhole anymore? The NYTimes has been garbage forever. There is a great book on it, The Gray Lady Winked. It catalogues the shameful history of that rag and it's arrogant and dishonest leaders. Like if you work there at all, you are a lowlife. Perhaps with an Ivy degree, but a lowlife nonetheless.
I agree. The more I read his stuff, the more I view him as being in the category of "journalists who never left high school and are competing to be in the in-crowd". Very immature.
Dr. Malone - so sorry you had that experience with Alex. I was one of his original subscribers. I cancelled my subscription and his email. He has become totally self absorbed unfortunately because I think he has information that is valuable but his need to be so cutting and cruel out weigh his information. Last I looked at the count it appears about 800+ subscribers have ended their subscriptions, they were offended at the way he spoke to you. No one objected that he had a differing view it was his manner. Keep up the good work and remember the team that squarely appreciates and supports your work. Onward! The ship is turning!!! Save the children - please!!!
Perhaps you should be thankful. Better show his true colors in full opposition than pretending to care early on, than do much greater damage down the road, whatever his motives are.
Another amazing aspect is that Berenson had hardly anything to say about his own lawsuit against Twitter, even though he posts regular updates on his Substack.
Why would he miss the opportunity to talk about his own battle against censorship? Certainly that would've been more interesting to Fox listeners, than the gratuitous BS about Malone and Ivermectin and the other pablum he came up with.
I dropped my paid subscription to Berenson's Substack weeks ago, because of his pot-shots against anyone with questions about election integrity. It's fashionable right now for Democrats to argue that voting machine totals are the Sacred Truth. But it's no more true now than it was when Dubya was elected, or any other time.
And if I hadn't quit paying then, I would've quit when he made brief, ridiculous quips against Ivermectin and early treatment.
When those things happened, I wasn't completely alone in complaining. But it was nothing compared to the hundreds of subscribers who are protesting against this latest outrage.
If Berenson doesn't make some sort of reply, it makes it completely clear that he doesn't care what his readers think, and he doesn't care how much revenue he gives up. What sort of author doesn't care about his readers, and about his income?
It does seem that the evidence supports Malone's bold accusation. Something or someone else is buttering Berenson's bread.
I agree with you. I noticed his arrogant comments before and hoped he would get a better perspective. His arrogance is unfortunate he has many talents which would be really helpful now but he can’t stop. It’s his greatest weakness unfortunately . And excuse me but where the hell does he get off on declaring Ivermectin doesn’t work - how many patients has he seen
Alex has a tendency to say what he thinks. He's not always right, but he is consistent in his approach. His fearlessness is what he is about. If Spotify attempts to censor this, it won't change what happened and it will be out for there for all-time for everyone. Their censorship will simply drive up interest among the population that already does not trust the Mainstream Media (latest poll shows only 10%). The MSM, as mouth-pieces for the deep state, understand they have completely and forever lost their credibility and history tells us when they begin to censor, its over for them. It's only a matter of time. We must talk to each other and ignore "trusted sources". The generations that came before us has used the entire system of slavish respect for "credentials" to produce scientists who can't science, teachers who can't teach, journalists who can't investigate and an economy that is not working and is going to break down. Each of us must listen to the evidence of our sources and decide what is truth. Dr. Malone, you are easily the most credible person in this battle right now, not because of a patent that was issued 33 years ago, but because of your careful, cautious, scientific approach that is not coming from a place of fear or desire to control or self-promote. Ignore this. Let Alex be Alex.
Alex can be Alex on his own dime. I canceled my paid subscription. This isn’t the first time he’s been a total jerk, and sometimes he disses his own subscribers. I don’t want to pay for that. He danced on my last nerve.
Disagree. Alex is fearless and says what he thinks. He also clearly stated that everyone should have the right to offer their opinion & facts and that healthy debate was needed. Don’t fall into the trap the Deep State sprang on the Tea Party, which ended up grenading the movement until Trump brought it back to life under a different title. Alex can say what he thinks and time & debate will determine truth. The issue is censorship! Truth is not a cult.
Fearless means you say what you think and don't temper your words or thoughts for fear of .... things like this. Look, Dr. Malone is rising to the forefront right now. He's already suffered a ham-fisted attack by the Atlantic Magazine, which is one of the primary mouth-pieces for the deep state. All Alex did was throw out a couple of general statements that could have been a capsulation of the Atlantic attack. He did not call for Dr. Malone to be censored ... he allowed him to respond and stated very clearly the main issue: censorship and why we should all be against it. The issue isn't whether Alex agrees with Dr. Malone 100% or not. It's about scientific discourse that leads to truth. Both Alex & Dr. Malone are on the same side of that fence, period. If your goal is to simply create an echo chamber, where everyone agrees with 100% of everything you think, you are going to be no better off than the Marxist parasites that the globalists have so skillfully manipulated into an offensive weapon. Don't let them divide you. Welcome dissenting opinions & voices. Dr. Malone will face much harsher criticism & outright lies as time goes on. He handled himself well against Alex. In the long run, perhaps this was a good thing. Understanding that there are always conflicting agendas & positions at play at any given time is part of entering the public arena.
He's perfectly well entitled to be fearless if he has the facts on his side. If he's going to spout CNN/MSNBC talking points that have long ago been shown to be false, he's not "fearless" he's "full of **it".
If he feels like taking on Malone or anybody else in the world and he has the truth on his side, then I would listen to his arguments, no matter the reputation or credentials or connections of his target. If he's going to spout baseless crap, then he's someone not worth listening to.
I've been a free subscriber to Berenson for a month or so. My goals for this weekend included 1. sign up for Spotify and listen to the Malone interview, and 2. throw a few bucks Berenson's way. I guess I can scratch #2.
Malone's handling of Berenson was spot on. Even if FOX was in on it, the whole thing backfired spectacularly.
Doing the body language analysis of all three on screen shows it was game, set, match Malone in what? 25 seconds flat? And then Malone immediately goes back on topic.
Exactly. There are so many head-scratching elements to this. It would be different if he was brought on to oppose you. It would be different if the moderator had asked him what he thought of your credentials. It would be different if that was Central to your claims about the vaccines. This was completely out of left field, literally uncalled for, off topic and had nothing to do with the central truth that both you and he are driving at. Did you have any previous inklings publicly or privately that he felt this way? Not that it really makes any difference - he didn't need to bring this up. Basically you and he were on the same side heading out to battle and he turned and thrust his sword into you. With allies like that who needs enemies?
Agreed - that attack was planned and reeked to high hell of his being 'paid off' - financially or in a 'we'll take care of you' way, who knows? I have read his stuff for a bit and he does do some great analysis so I do not buy that he was just too stupid to know what he was doing.
I was surprised Alex said what he did, especially considering the evidence that IVM works against covid-19 is overwhelming. I don't think any paid his to that. I think he was just being a dick in order to get attention.
The thing is, Alex has gotten it wrong before on medical stuff. Some years ago he wrote a book claiming that marijuana use makes you psychotically aggressive and said he came to this conclusion based the experiences of his wife (a ER medical person) treating drug overdose cases. I know people who smoked a lot weed when young. None of them had the kind of psychotic breaks Alex described in his book. In my experience, long term marijuana use makes one stupid and lazy (which is why I will not touch the stuff).
At the end of the day, Alex is a journalist and novelist, meaning he is somewhat of a attention-seeker. I suspect it was is need for attention that made him make the comments he did. In any case, they will adversely affect him. Lots of comments from people on his substack saying they are unsubscribing from his substack. He clearly put his foot in his mouth. Yes, his comments were quite unprofessional, not to mention unrelated to the subject matter at hand.
I watched the video and I was stunned to see Alex immediately go off-topic and attack your credentials.
He is married to a doctor, and I got the impression from his book that she and her colleagues were unhappy with his going against the mainstream. I think it's more likely that placating his wife was the motive for this rather than a check from Pfizer. If it was about money--he's lost a bunch of supporters. He must have known that would happen.
I was willing to give Berenson the benefit of the doubt until his posting over the weekend which essentially doubled down on his remarks on Fox. Here is what I posted on his substack:
"Yes, the stint on Fox was bizarre and this posting only compounds the problem.
So add me to the list of ex subscribers. Bad behavior has to have consequences. I will see everyone over on the substacks of Malone, Kirsch, and Eugyppius."
Thank you for posting this. Why Alex started off with a personal attack is beyond the pale. His comments about IVM are completely erroneous. What is he smoking?! I'm sorry you had to endure that and I hope he will apologize publicly for what he said.
I did the same thing but it let me change to $6 month. I will wait a day and see if I can cancel altogether. Alex went way out of bounds and his promotion of his book is getting old.
I am in the process of doing the same, I did enjoy Alex's questioning of the 'only 1 truth', but he needs to address WHY he is ignoring all the patents and proofs of Dr. Malones, for now I unsubscribe from Alex.
I had the same thought 😆 Given what a threat medical marijuana poses to the pharmaceutical industry, I wonder if there were ulterior motives there, or perhaps the studies he cited were cooked, in any case …
I've looked into this a few years ago due to Chloe Swarbrick a NZ MP pushing it. It's well organized. The industry is currently controlled by (strictly speaking illegal) small distributors. Making it legal would, in my view, mean that it became a Pharmaceutical product. So I wouldn't connect them with Alex on the basis of that book.
Right, it was only as I was writing that comment that the possibility occurred to me, and if it's not intentional, there's always the likelihood that the studies were funded by pharma. I understand your argument, but with a non-patentable plant that anyone can grow themselves, the threat it poses to pharma is far greater than any profit they would obtain from selling it as opposed to pushing patentable pharmaceuticals.
Wow, you handled that beautifully. Berenson has a problem that he is out of his league when confronted with strong science (and scientists) because he lacks the background to understand it. I saw him on Joe Rogan also, and although he did an okay job it was clear that there were aspects to the data that he got completely incorrect. I joined the FLCCC with Dr. Kory when they first started up and there is no doubt about the efficacy of IVM. Berenson needs to educate himself or shut up on these issues because he only made himself look like an ass there! (At least he doesn't support censorship though- so I will give him some credit for that)
This is such a worn out topic too. These patents have been circulated already, and Dr. Malone is very precise and humble about his role in mRNA technology development. It’s just mind boggling, that Alex gets this so wrong.
I read Pandemia and it kind of shocked me to have him chiming in on the 2020 election. He obviously has no problem with being obtusely, willfully blind about certain subjects. To anybody with the barest sense of fairness and curiosity, the sheer masses of questionable practices, criminality, and inexplicable data mismatches leads to a virtually inescapable conclusion of serious, widespread election issues. To dig in his heels and state otherwise--without citing any specifics--is just crap on AB's part.
I'm taking notes on how to handle potshots from out of nowhere from you! I'm glad the Fox News anchor gave you the opportunity to respond.
I'll have to take what Alex Berenson says with larger grains of salt from now on. In an odd way he may have done you a favor by inadvertently giving you an opportunity to respond to a critic directly.
Your swift and efficient response was beautiful to behold!
Alex does a good job in what he reports on. He is not a medical doctor. Alex's substack does a real service just as Dr. Malone's does from a different perspective. Surely we are not in the cancel culture business. Give Alex another chance. I am sure this was some sort of brain fart and on reflection he is probably sorry.
He has a nasty habit of taking hard positions on things he's only cursorily researched, if that much. He admits he doesn't dig and then complains there's nothing to see. Some NYT habits die hard it seems.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt but this was just plain cheap. He knows full well if he has a disagreement he can bring it openly. It was the last straw for me. There are other sources of info more worthy of my support.
Alex is a Great Journalist and you are correct he is no Doctor. His understanding of Early treatment really lets him down. However when an interview that could really help stop censorship is utilised for some other reason one can only question Berenson's Motives. I was a Massive Fan and a Subscriber. He has a long way to crawl before I would resign. Cancelled Subscription tonight. Will review if he has some mind blowingly good reason for being and Ass Hole.
He is a good journalist but has his eyes on the prize of being a pundent-- hence the timing of the book etc. His work re: challenging Twitter is great. His info on stats of what is going on is ok-- not great.
Is it cancelling when the person not only gets facts wrong, but actively promotes the bad facts? Do you continue to listen? I would call that being discerning and valuing my time. Why subscribe or PAY for bad information? It is not a disagreement on opinion and then shouting out for one "bad" thought they must go. That would be cancelling.
I'm not sure switching subscriptions is the same as cancel culture. I enjoy Alex's Substack, but I too have been put off by his constant hawking of his book and his frequent exuberant emails heralding data that point to vaccine failures. It feels like he revels in that stuff, and that's caused me to refrain from paying for a subscription. Btw: Somewhere I either heard or read Alex say that Merck was the pharmaceutical company he respected most. I was surprised to hear that, because at the time, Merck had issued a statement warning that ivermectin (the drug it had sold for many years when it was under patent) was suddenly unsafe, without disclosing that it was about to push a "new" antiviral to market. I did some DDG research, but couldn't find a factual basis for Alex's positive assessment of Merck. Does anyone have any relevant info about this?
If he said that, I don't know of a legit reason why. I think maybe they've been fined a little less than some others, but that's like killing fewer people than Son of Sam. Not exactly an accolade. They had Vioxx and have participated in every other major scam.
Their new "antiviral" looks like junk even in their own study. I guess maybe that could be considered vaguely less dishonest? Could just as easily be they realize they jumped on the train too late and wouldn't make enough to offset the lawsuits.
I don't see how any of the major pharma companies, or anyone they finance, could be in any way considered trustworthy.
Cancel culture is censorship by taking away a speaker's platform, something that originated on campuses when (usually) right-of-center speakers were invited to give a talk. Leftists, if they couldn't get the talk "canceled" through complaints lodged with the administration, took "direct action," and would remove the speaker's ability to give the talk by occupying the stage, turning off the sound systems, pulling fire alarms and so on. This matured into big tech platforms censoring, like twitter or facebook, or by search engines burying links of organic searches.
Alex counts on paying customers to read his substack. If I don’t like his position, the best thing I can do, is no longer pay for his service if it no longer serves me. That is Capitalism. Create a product people want/need for a price. If people no longer want/need the product goes away. Berenson’s product has become the buggy whip of the Substack sphere. Plain and simple Capitalism. He failed to serve his subscribers.
I agree. It sounds like we're both supporters of the free market and understand that having a good product-market fit is important to success. I cancelled my subscription to Alex's substack today, too. There was wider conversation in this thread about not participating in "cancel culture," by canceling subscriptions. Cancelling a subscription because of poor quality is not cancel culture. Taking active measures to censor someone is more in line with cancel culture. That was all. Perhaps I should have included some preamble to my post for clarity.
Yes, cancel culture is not it. Think of Alex as a young talented boy blinded by his own arrogance, and who was not taught how to respect the wiser elders in his own tribe. A good slap on the behind or bank account may help him see more clearly. Alex is an important member of the Health Freedom movement, but he sure needs a lesson in teamwork and sportsmanship. Insolent boys gotta be taught how to become men with tough love sometimes. He needs a little spanking, but NOT cancelling (yet).
Unfortunately he doubled down today. He apparently likes spanking. He gives the impression that he doesn't like his audience all that much. He will eventually cancel himself. If I bought his book, I think I would try to return it.
Perhaps a better path would have been to invite Alex to a one on one talk. Division is not helpful. The bigger person is the one who extends a hand. We’re in a fight, ppl. It’s unwise to let ourselves be divided.
A truly brave person is against ALL MANDATES for the mRNA C19 Jab.
A truly brave person speaks up for the millions of ppl being harmed ( and killed) by these experimental jabs. Anyone looked at VAERS lately? Anyone looked at deaths by all causes since the inception of these jabs????
As an ICU RN, all I see, day after day after day are the injured & the sick. Some of my patients will never recover their health. Pharmaceutical companies & the employers that are mandating these HORRIFIC Jabs have absolutely zero liability. Lives are ended and destroyed. Families are left trying to pick up the pieces of shattered lives. No one cares.
Life Insurance and Long Term Disability companies are refusing to pay claims on ppl recently injected. Most policies contain clauses nullifying the contract if the payee partakes in EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT ie the jab. No matter that these are MANDATED. No one cares. Nor are they likely to, not until tragedy comes knocking on their door.
The medical profession has completely caved. We’ve known about early treatment since March 2020. But the MDs backed down and caved to big Pharma & to Hospital Admin & their Marketing teams.
I work at a large teaching hospital. We’ve been conquered. No one objects to wearing filthy masks. Not one single MD will fight for the use of effective C19 treatments. Instead, they are going along to get along. They prescribe Remdesivir which craps out the kidneys, causing pulmonary edema, leading to ventilation. It’s a triple bonanza in terms of payments to the hospital and the MDs. The dirty “secrets” of healthcare.
The concept & practice of airborne & contact precautions has been perverted & lost entirely.
MDs had better start speaking up. The delivery of evidence based healthcare is being completely dismantled.
It’s foolhardy for ppl to think themselves protected from poor quality of care because they have wealth or a position of power. The US healthcare system is teetering on the precipice. Mediocrity and cowardice abounds. Everyone should care.
I am an RN too and I applaud your contribution to this discussion. After watching what has happened to doctors such as Simone Gold, and Dr. Kheriaty, both of whom have lost their jobs because they have chosen to stand for truth, it is sobering reality for most doctors. I wish they were braver and could stand up as well but I can't judge because I don't know their situations. They probably have families to support and are not in a financial position to be able to lose their jobs. Some physicians have been threatened by their state medical boards with forfeiture of their licenses over their support of early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. This is unconscionable but it's the way it currently is. We now have emails, obtained through FOIA requests, between Dr. Fauci and Dr. Collins showing their efforts to ruin professional reputations.
Doctors and hospitals have chosen to stand by CDC guidelines as a way to protecting themselves from lawsuits. It's so sad. Everyone loses when disngenuousness takes precedent over the truth.
Fox was not to blame for this in any way. The producer apologized to me after. One can heard the moderator in the background saying that guests shouldn't attack guests. Fox was blind-sided too. This was not even the topic to be discussed - which was censorship -and the pressure on Spotify to now censor their podcasts, including censorship of Joe Rogan. That is 270 people in the science, medicine, healthcare write a letter complaining and then main stream media calls for Spotify to censor their podcasts.
This is a conversation that needs to happen now. As Spotify is now having Rolling Stone calling for them to censor for "public health reasons" If Spotify goes down that garden path, we all lose another alternative news source. That would be huge.
If Spotify censors because 270 doctors write a letter, but ignores the 16,000 that have signed the declaration - it would be a new low in the censorship battle. The move towards hard authoritarianism that this country and many countries in the world are moving towards is real. That is authoritarianism to maintain fascist (really Oligarch) control of big tech, pharma and social media. This is not about public health policy. To remind people, the censorship includes covering up a lab leak that kills millions of people (intensional or not?). They are covering up about why the USA has one of the highest death rates in the world, why the USG has stopped/suppressed early treatment, why the USG refuses to study the adverse events or allow reporting on the adverse events, why Fauci/Collins are allowed to conduct smear campaigns by using big media (such as against the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration), etc. The list goes on and on.
Instead of that discussion, I had Berenson attacking my credentials and early treatment.
Yeh, that seems like controlled opposition to me.
The question did someone who paid him to do that?
I'm shocked he did that--it looked very bad and unprofessional. Thank you for throwing the facts and evidence right back at him, and then redirecting the conversation back to the topic of censorship.
If AB doesn't post an apology or at least an explanation within 24 hours, he is co-opted and let's move on. There is too much important work to do by the esteemed Dr. Malone to deal with this trash. AB can beg for his job back at the New York Slimes or be a talking head at CNN for his next moment of fame.
Seriously, that was just gross. he came off as an opportunist trying to keep a foot in both sides, so he can perhaps regain some of his "friends and and influence" on the left while not totally losing the support from the free speech adherents on the right. Pick a side dude. Attacking probably the most selfless participant in this war right now (Dr. Malone) just comes off as sleazy and gross. I lost 90% of the respect I had for AB, over the course of ONE TV segment.
Dr. Malone- Please, Talk with Alex and ask him why and where he got that information. Please clarify what happened. You are both on the same side of Good. We need both of you and no one should be cancelling our unsubscribing from Alex to show loyalty to you and I hope you convey that sentiment here to your group.
“A house divided can not stand” ~Abraham Lincoln.
How do we know he is not a plant to divide the opposition to this CoVID propaganda? Why should Dr. Malone talk to him? Alex smeared Dr. Malone. So it Alex's turn to apologize. I just canceled my subscription to him.
I am in agreement with this, at least for now. I still believe that at the heart, Alex and Dr. Malone are fighting for the same thing. I would like to see Alex apologize for choosing that forum--incredibly inappropriate and damaging.
I agree!!! He doesn’t believe there was election fraud. Whose side is he really on? I see the election fraud as related to covid and all that has occurred in the last 2 years. He made his mint from the book and subscriptions, perhaps now ALL he really cares about is HIMSELF! I don’t trust him.
Yes. I didn't vote for Trump, but the 2020 election was obviously stolen using several techniques:
1) the decision to scare-monger a virus that had been circulating world-wide for a year and a half into a pandemic and emergency that could justify onerous policies including unsolicited mail-in ballots in many cases not even signature matched. This allowed deep state actors first to steal the Democratic nomination and later for mules to stuff drop boxes with fraudulent ballots and get them counted.
2) a summer of riots unconcerned with the "pandemic" and an objective of discrediting DJT as either a dictator or ineffectual.
3) suppression of anything negative about Biden including Tara Reade, Hunter's laptop and Biden's own bragging that he interfered in an internal Ukrainian investigation that might have unearthed his son's shenanigans.
4) the false report that DJT called out the guard to clear rioters from the streets so he could have a photo-op.
Even Time magazine admitted that the election was "fortified," with never-Trump Republicans like Lawrence Wilkderson making significant contributions.
I disagree there. One of the problems with society these days is that bad behavior is not punished. Unsubscribed.
No, they are not. Alex Berenson is much like Bari Weiss, trying to preserve the reflexively leftist worldview while having to make common cause with us troglodytes. It makes him nervous to be on Fox and not sliming conservatives, got it? The two of them should be rejected utterly by the Right. All their monetization now comes from us, let's save our cash for actual thinkers and leaders like Dr. Malone. Journalists used to be considered low people in general due to their famously bad ethics and practices. For some reason people have decided that they are something more. But all they do is talk about things others do, yes? That's not much when it comes right down to it. Compared to the work of Dr. Malone? It's not even worth a giggle to compare the two. Stop following Berenson. Yay - he hates it when the govt lies to us and kills us. How does this make him a hero? Cuz he couldn't work in the most dishonest, political journalistic hellhole anymore? The NYTimes has been garbage forever. There is a great book on it, The Gray Lady Winked. It catalogues the shameful history of that rag and it's arrogant and dishonest leaders. Like if you work there at all, you are a lowlife. Perhaps with an Ivy degree, but a lowlife nonetheless.
Great idea.
I agree. The more I read his stuff, the more I view him as being in the category of "journalists who never left high school and are competing to be in the in-crowd". Very immature.
That is indeed the real issue/topic to be discussed. It was really shortsighted, unprofessional and disgraceful for Alex to behave like that...
Thanks a million, Dr. Malone, for everything you do!!
Dr. Malone - so sorry you had that experience with Alex. I was one of his original subscribers. I cancelled my subscription and his email. He has become totally self absorbed unfortunately because I think he has information that is valuable but his need to be so cutting and cruel out weigh his information. Last I looked at the count it appears about 800+ subscribers have ended their subscriptions, they were offended at the way he spoke to you. No one objected that he had a differing view it was his manner. Keep up the good work and remember the team that squarely appreciates and supports your work. Onward! The ship is turning!!! Save the children - please!!!
Perhaps you should be thankful. Better show his true colors in full opposition than pretending to care early on, than do much greater damage down the road, whatever his motives are.
agree again
seeing true colors of Alex and not to ignore him
Another amazing aspect is that Berenson had hardly anything to say about his own lawsuit against Twitter, even though he posts regular updates on his Substack.
Why would he miss the opportunity to talk about his own battle against censorship? Certainly that would've been more interesting to Fox listeners, than the gratuitous BS about Malone and Ivermectin and the other pablum he came up with.
I dropped my paid subscription to Berenson's Substack weeks ago, because of his pot-shots against anyone with questions about election integrity. It's fashionable right now for Democrats to argue that voting machine totals are the Sacred Truth. But it's no more true now than it was when Dubya was elected, or any other time.
And if I hadn't quit paying then, I would've quit when he made brief, ridiculous quips against Ivermectin and early treatment.
When those things happened, I wasn't completely alone in complaining. But it was nothing compared to the hundreds of subscribers who are protesting against this latest outrage.
If Berenson doesn't make some sort of reply, it makes it completely clear that he doesn't care what his readers think, and he doesn't care how much revenue he gives up. What sort of author doesn't care about his readers, and about his income?
It does seem that the evidence supports Malone's bold accusation. Something or someone else is buttering Berenson's bread.
He’ll never apologize. He’s King of His Domain over there lol 😂
I agree with you. I noticed his arrogant comments before and hoped he would get a better perspective. His arrogance is unfortunate he has many talents which would be really helpful now but he can’t stop. It’s his greatest weakness unfortunately . And excuse me but where the hell does he get off on declaring Ivermectin doesn’t work - how many patients has he seen
Alex has a tendency to say what he thinks. He's not always right, but he is consistent in his approach. His fearlessness is what he is about. If Spotify attempts to censor this, it won't change what happened and it will be out for there for all-time for everyone. Their censorship will simply drive up interest among the population that already does not trust the Mainstream Media (latest poll shows only 10%). The MSM, as mouth-pieces for the deep state, understand they have completely and forever lost their credibility and history tells us when they begin to censor, its over for them. It's only a matter of time. We must talk to each other and ignore "trusted sources". The generations that came before us has used the entire system of slavish respect for "credentials" to produce scientists who can't science, teachers who can't teach, journalists who can't investigate and an economy that is not working and is going to break down. Each of us must listen to the evidence of our sources and decide what is truth. Dr. Malone, you are easily the most credible person in this battle right now, not because of a patent that was issued 33 years ago, but because of your careful, cautious, scientific approach that is not coming from a place of fear or desire to control or self-promote. Ignore this. Let Alex be Alex.
Alex can be Alex on his own dime. I canceled my paid subscription. This isn’t the first time he’s been a total jerk, and sometimes he disses his own subscribers. I don’t want to pay for that. He danced on my last nerve.
You are so right. Thank you.
His ego creates blind spots/biases and an unwillingness to look for/accept disconfirming evidence (which we should all look for.)
Disagree. Alex is fearless and says what he thinks. He also clearly stated that everyone should have the right to offer their opinion & facts and that healthy debate was needed. Don’t fall into the trap the Deep State sprang on the Tea Party, which ended up grenading the movement until Trump brought it back to life under a different title. Alex can say what he thinks and time & debate will determine truth. The issue is censorship! Truth is not a cult.
Fearless means you say what you think and don't temper your words or thoughts for fear of .... things like this. Look, Dr. Malone is rising to the forefront right now. He's already suffered a ham-fisted attack by the Atlantic Magazine, which is one of the primary mouth-pieces for the deep state. All Alex did was throw out a couple of general statements that could have been a capsulation of the Atlantic attack. He did not call for Dr. Malone to be censored ... he allowed him to respond and stated very clearly the main issue: censorship and why we should all be against it. The issue isn't whether Alex agrees with Dr. Malone 100% or not. It's about scientific discourse that leads to truth. Both Alex & Dr. Malone are on the same side of that fence, period. If your goal is to simply create an echo chamber, where everyone agrees with 100% of everything you think, you are going to be no better off than the Marxist parasites that the globalists have so skillfully manipulated into an offensive weapon. Don't let them divide you. Welcome dissenting opinions & voices. Dr. Malone will face much harsher criticism & outright lies as time goes on. He handled himself well against Alex. In the long run, perhaps this was a good thing. Understanding that there are always conflicting agendas & positions at play at any given time is part of entering the public arena.
He's perfectly well entitled to be fearless if he has the facts on his side. If he's going to spout CNN/MSNBC talking points that have long ago been shown to be false, he's not "fearless" he's "full of **it".
If he feels like taking on Malone or anybody else in the world and he has the truth on his side, then I would listen to his arguments, no matter the reputation or credentials or connections of his target. If he's going to spout baseless crap, then he's someone not worth listening to.
I've been a free subscriber to Berenson for a month or so. My goals for this weekend included 1. sign up for Spotify and listen to the Malone interview, and 2. throw a few bucks Berenson's way. I guess I can scratch #2.
agree
I have seen or read little of Alex and now I will completely ignore him
Love Gato Malo!
Malone's handling of Berenson was spot on. Even if FOX was in on it, the whole thing backfired spectacularly.
Doing the body language analysis of all three on screen shows it was game, set, match Malone in what? 25 seconds flat? And then Malone immediately goes back on topic.
Berenson is (was?) a New York Times reporter. 'Nuff said.
Exactly. There are so many head-scratching elements to this. It would be different if he was brought on to oppose you. It would be different if the moderator had asked him what he thought of your credentials. It would be different if that was Central to your claims about the vaccines. This was completely out of left field, literally uncalled for, off topic and had nothing to do with the central truth that both you and he are driving at. Did you have any previous inklings publicly or privately that he felt this way? Not that it really makes any difference - he didn't need to bring this up. Basically you and he were on the same side heading out to battle and he turned and thrust his sword into you. With allies like that who needs enemies?
Agreed - that attack was planned and reeked to high hell of his being 'paid off' - financially or in a 'we'll take care of you' way, who knows? I have read his stuff for a bit and he does do some great analysis so I do not buy that he was just too stupid to know what he was doing.
Totally deliberate!
Berenson went out on a limb early in this mess. I think he is scared now and wants to get back into the tree. The payoff is re-entry into the group.
I was surprised Alex said what he did, especially considering the evidence that IVM works against covid-19 is overwhelming. I don't think any paid his to that. I think he was just being a dick in order to get attention.
The thing is, Alex has gotten it wrong before on medical stuff. Some years ago he wrote a book claiming that marijuana use makes you psychotically aggressive and said he came to this conclusion based the experiences of his wife (a ER medical person) treating drug overdose cases. I know people who smoked a lot weed when young. None of them had the kind of psychotic breaks Alex described in his book. In my experience, long term marijuana use makes one stupid and lazy (which is why I will not touch the stuff).
At the end of the day, Alex is a journalist and novelist, meaning he is somewhat of a attention-seeker. I suspect it was is need for attention that made him make the comments he did. In any case, they will adversely affect him. Lots of comments from people on his substack saying they are unsubscribing from his substack. He clearly put his foot in his mouth. Yes, his comments were quite unprofessional, not to mention unrelated to the subject matter at hand.
I watched the video and I was stunned to see Alex immediately go off-topic and attack your credentials.
He is married to a doctor, and I got the impression from his book that she and her colleagues were unhappy with his going against the mainstream. I think it's more likely that placating his wife was the motive for this rather than a check from Pfizer. If it was about money--he's lost a bunch of supporters. He must have known that would happen.
This is also plausible.
I was willing to give Berenson the benefit of the doubt until his posting over the weekend which essentially doubled down on his remarks on Fox. Here is what I posted on his substack:
"Yes, the stint on Fox was bizarre and this posting only compounds the problem.
So add me to the list of ex subscribers. Bad behavior has to have consequences. I will see everyone over on the substacks of Malone, Kirsch, and Eugyppius."
Here is the clip: https://www.bitchute.com/video/DaNgNhGbe1UP/
Thank you for posting this. Why Alex started off with a personal attack is beyond the pale. His comments about IVM are completely erroneous. What is he smoking?! I'm sorry you had to endure that and I hope he will apologize publicly for what he said.
just cancelled my $6 month subscription to Berenson...and will apply to Dr. Malone who i trust !
So did I. This attack was the last straw for me.
nice !! what an idiot....Berenson is, just a complete an utter BS ..move by him ....
Same here... poof. Gone. Joined here instead.
I cancelled too....sheeeesh....people ultimately reveal themselves but what a shocker
I went to cancel mine and realized I signed up for the one year payment plan. I'll only sign up for monthly plans in the future. Great reminder.
I did the same thing but it let me change to $6 month. I will wait a day and see if I can cancel altogether. Alex went way out of bounds and his promotion of his book is getting old.
Same
Inexplicable. Alex's behavior reminds me of another rude, narcissistic NY-er: Donald Trump.
Cancelled my Alex Berenson subscription and picked up one for Dr. Malone. Dr. Malone, thank you for your work.
I got that same vibe. I’m well acquainted with narcissism and it was almost like this odd jealousy lash out. It’s very unfortunate.
Me, too!
I just did the same!
I am in the process of doing the same, I did enjoy Alex's questioning of the 'only 1 truth', but he needs to address WHY he is ignoring all the patents and proofs of Dr. Malones, for now I unsubscribe from Alex.
"What is he smoking" is especially hilarious for those familiar with Alex's previous crusade...
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Tell-Your-Children/Alex-Berenson/9781982103675
I had the same thought 😆 Given what a threat medical marijuana poses to the pharmaceutical industry, I wonder if there were ulterior motives there, or perhaps the studies he cited were cooked, in any case …
Also new study shows CBD from marijuana inhibits replication of Covid.
Wow, awesome to hear since I take it nightly as a sleep aid! Do you have a link to the study?
I have a link that will get you going:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QxRtwgLjXTE
(Just gotta love Jimmy Dore!)
I've looked into this a few years ago due to Chloe Swarbrick a NZ MP pushing it. It's well organized. The industry is currently controlled by (strictly speaking illegal) small distributors. Making it legal would, in my view, mean that it became a Pharmaceutical product. So I wouldn't connect them with Alex on the basis of that book.
Right, it was only as I was writing that comment that the possibility occurred to me, and if it's not intentional, there's always the likelihood that the studies were funded by pharma. I understand your argument, but with a non-patentable plant that anyone can grow themselves, the threat it poses to pharma is far greater than any profit they would obtain from selling it as opposed to pushing patentable pharmaceuticals.
The legislation as proposed by Swarbrick seemed designed to remove the small distributors from the market.
It was intentional.
He ain't smoking that good stuff. haha
😹
Too much anger. Must be a drunk
That's a bad take. I bet it blew his mind when he found out weed helps prevent Covid
Wow, you handled that beautifully. Berenson has a problem that he is out of his league when confronted with strong science (and scientists) because he lacks the background to understand it. I saw him on Joe Rogan also, and although he did an okay job it was clear that there were aspects to the data that he got completely incorrect. I joined the FLCCC with Dr. Kory when they first started up and there is no doubt about the efficacy of IVM. Berenson needs to educate himself or shut up on these issues because he only made himself look like an ass there! (At least he doesn't support censorship though- so I will give him some credit for that)
He apparently also doesn't know how to search patents at uspto.gov, using Public PAIR...
This is such a worn out topic too. These patents have been circulated already, and Dr. Malone is very precise and humble about his role in mRNA technology development. It’s just mind boggling, that Alex gets this so wrong.
Well taken, and now I will switch my substack payment from Berenson to you (I can't afford to pay them all I pay Matthew Crawford too)
I read Pandemia and it kind of shocked me to have him chiming in on the 2020 election. He obviously has no problem with being obtusely, willfully blind about certain subjects. To anybody with the barest sense of fairness and curiosity, the sheer masses of questionable practices, criminality, and inexplicable data mismatches leads to a virtually inescapable conclusion of serious, widespread election issues. To dig in his heels and state otherwise--without citing any specifics--is just crap on AB's part.
Berenson is a bit of a single topic guy and that's Big pharma. So overall health, preventative cures etc. Doesn't interest him.
I also remember a post where he said "if you are going to get jabbed get the J&J" and his community went nuts at him. He's been really good since.
His wife doesn’t want him to know about it, is my guess.
I'm taking notes on how to handle potshots from out of nowhere from you! I'm glad the Fox News anchor gave you the opportunity to respond.
I'll have to take what Alex Berenson says with larger grains of salt from now on. In an odd way he may have done you a favor by inadvertently giving you an opportunity to respond to a critic directly.
Your swift and efficient response was beautiful to behold!
I totally agree. You remained completely calm and were able to formulate a factual composed response on the spot. Well done!
Great response and so true. Look at the bright side. Berenson lost hundreds of subscribers, at least. His loss, your gain.
He lost me, but I’m sad about it. I don’t really know why he has to be such a jerk sometimes. I’m just tired of it.
good point
I’ll be unsubscribing from Alex substack now as it’s obvious he is controlled opp. That was an obvious hit job.
Alex does a good job in what he reports on. He is not a medical doctor. Alex's substack does a real service just as Dr. Malone's does from a different perspective. Surely we are not in the cancel culture business. Give Alex another chance. I am sure this was some sort of brain fart and on reflection he is probably sorry.
He has a nasty habit of taking hard positions on things he's only cursorily researched, if that much. He admits he doesn't dig and then complains there's nothing to see. Some NYT habits die hard it seems.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt but this was just plain cheap. He knows full well if he has a disagreement he can bring it openly. It was the last straw for me. There are other sources of info more worthy of my support.
Unsubscribing from his Substack is not in any way “Canceling” him. Let’s stop with the hyperbole folks.
Maybe not, but it sends a message, especially since he’s trying to sell his book to his subscribers, and he makes money off of those who pay.
Alex is a Great Journalist and you are correct he is no Doctor. His understanding of Early treatment really lets him down. However when an interview that could really help stop censorship is utilised for some other reason one can only question Berenson's Motives. I was a Massive Fan and a Subscriber. He has a long way to crawl before I would resign. Cancelled Subscription tonight. Will review if he has some mind blowingly good reason for being and Ass Hole.
He is a good journalist but has his eyes on the prize of being a pundent-- hence the timing of the book etc. His work re: challenging Twitter is great. His info on stats of what is going on is ok-- not great.
Is it cancelling when the person not only gets facts wrong, but actively promotes the bad facts? Do you continue to listen? I would call that being discerning and valuing my time. Why subscribe or PAY for bad information? It is not a disagreement on opinion and then shouting out for one "bad" thought they must go. That would be cancelling.
I'm not sure switching subscriptions is the same as cancel culture. I enjoy Alex's Substack, but I too have been put off by his constant hawking of his book and his frequent exuberant emails heralding data that point to vaccine failures. It feels like he revels in that stuff, and that's caused me to refrain from paying for a subscription. Btw: Somewhere I either heard or read Alex say that Merck was the pharmaceutical company he respected most. I was surprised to hear that, because at the time, Merck had issued a statement warning that ivermectin (the drug it had sold for many years when it was under patent) was suddenly unsafe, without disclosing that it was about to push a "new" antiviral to market. I did some DDG research, but couldn't find a factual basis for Alex's positive assessment of Merck. Does anyone have any relevant info about this?
If he said that, I don't know of a legit reason why. I think maybe they've been fined a little less than some others, but that's like killing fewer people than Son of Sam. Not exactly an accolade. They had Vioxx and have participated in every other major scam.
Their new "antiviral" looks like junk even in their own study. I guess maybe that could be considered vaguely less dishonest? Could just as easily be they realize they jumped on the train too late and wouldn't make enough to offset the lawsuits.
I don't see how any of the major pharma companies, or anyone they finance, could be in any way considered trustworthy.
I don’t want to PAY for his dumb pi$$ing matches. That’s not what I signed up for. This was the third strike for me.
Cancel culture is censorship by taking away a speaker's platform, something that originated on campuses when (usually) right-of-center speakers were invited to give a talk. Leftists, if they couldn't get the talk "canceled" through complaints lodged with the administration, took "direct action," and would remove the speaker's ability to give the talk by occupying the stage, turning off the sound systems, pulling fire alarms and so on. This matured into big tech platforms censoring, like twitter or facebook, or by search engines burying links of organic searches.
Alex counts on paying customers to read his substack. If I don’t like his position, the best thing I can do, is no longer pay for his service if it no longer serves me. That is Capitalism. Create a product people want/need for a price. If people no longer want/need the product goes away. Berenson’s product has become the buggy whip of the Substack sphere. Plain and simple Capitalism. He failed to serve his subscribers.
I agree. It sounds like we're both supporters of the free market and understand that having a good product-market fit is important to success. I cancelled my subscription to Alex's substack today, too. There was wider conversation in this thread about not participating in "cancel culture," by canceling subscriptions. Cancelling a subscription because of poor quality is not cancel culture. Taking active measures to censor someone is more in line with cancel culture. That was all. Perhaps I should have included some preamble to my post for clarity.
Yes, cancel culture is not it. Think of Alex as a young talented boy blinded by his own arrogance, and who was not taught how to respect the wiser elders in his own tribe. A good slap on the behind or bank account may help him see more clearly. Alex is an important member of the Health Freedom movement, but he sure needs a lesson in teamwork and sportsmanship. Insolent boys gotta be taught how to become men with tough love sometimes. He needs a little spanking, but NOT cancelling (yet).
Unfortunately he doubled down today. He apparently likes spanking. He gives the impression that he doesn't like his audience all that much. He will eventually cancel himself. If I bought his book, I think I would try to return it.
Yes, I just read it. Would have been easier to apologize.
Perhaps a better path would have been to invite Alex to a one on one talk. Division is not helpful. The bigger person is the one who extends a hand. We’re in a fight, ppl. It’s unwise to let ourselves be divided.
A truly brave person is against ALL MANDATES for the mRNA C19 Jab.
A truly brave person speaks up for the millions of ppl being harmed ( and killed) by these experimental jabs. Anyone looked at VAERS lately? Anyone looked at deaths by all causes since the inception of these jabs????
As an ICU RN, all I see, day after day after day are the injured & the sick. Some of my patients will never recover their health. Pharmaceutical companies & the employers that are mandating these HORRIFIC Jabs have absolutely zero liability. Lives are ended and destroyed. Families are left trying to pick up the pieces of shattered lives. No one cares.
Life Insurance and Long Term Disability companies are refusing to pay claims on ppl recently injected. Most policies contain clauses nullifying the contract if the payee partakes in EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT ie the jab. No matter that these are MANDATED. No one cares. Nor are they likely to, not until tragedy comes knocking on their door.
The medical profession has completely caved. We’ve known about early treatment since March 2020. But the MDs backed down and caved to big Pharma & to Hospital Admin & their Marketing teams.
I work at a large teaching hospital. We’ve been conquered. No one objects to wearing filthy masks. Not one single MD will fight for the use of effective C19 treatments. Instead, they are going along to get along. They prescribe Remdesivir which craps out the kidneys, causing pulmonary edema, leading to ventilation. It’s a triple bonanza in terms of payments to the hospital and the MDs. The dirty “secrets” of healthcare.
The concept & practice of airborne & contact precautions has been perverted & lost entirely.
MDs had better start speaking up. The delivery of evidence based healthcare is being completely dismantled.
It’s foolhardy for ppl to think themselves protected from poor quality of care because they have wealth or a position of power. The US healthcare system is teetering on the precipice. Mediocrity and cowardice abounds. Everyone should care.
Hospitals are the new Gulags.
I am an RN too and I applaud your contribution to this discussion. After watching what has happened to doctors such as Simone Gold, and Dr. Kheriaty, both of whom have lost their jobs because they have chosen to stand for truth, it is sobering reality for most doctors. I wish they were braver and could stand up as well but I can't judge because I don't know their situations. They probably have families to support and are not in a financial position to be able to lose their jobs. Some physicians have been threatened by their state medical boards with forfeiture of their licenses over their support of early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. This is unconscionable but it's the way it currently is. We now have emails, obtained through FOIA requests, between Dr. Fauci and Dr. Collins showing their efforts to ruin professional reputations.
Doctors and hospitals have chosen to stand by CDC guidelines as a way to protecting themselves from lawsuits. It's so sad. Everyone loses when disngenuousness takes precedent over the truth.