I am sold on HOCL. After your recent substack on this solution, I purchased the skin spray from Curativa Bay to try it for a rash that I had developed on one side of my neck. It persisted for many weeks, in spite of trying other products (hydrocortisone creams, Gold Bond creams, etc.). It was spreading & was incredibly itchy. I was just about to make an appointment with a dermatologist. I received the product on 9/30 & used it several times a day. By the 3rd day, there was a 75% improvement & no longer itched. By the 5th day, it was essentially gone. I plan to always have a supply on hand & intend to purchase the products this company makes for dogs. It can even be used for eye conditions such as blepharitis & styes. I've already told others about it. Thanks very much for sharing this information with your subscribers.
You'll be glad you did. I actually e-mailed the company this morning, to further inquire about using the solution for blepharitis (an inflammation of the eyelids, especially along the innermost area of your eye lashes. They sent me a lengthy article about blepharitis & how eye doctors are now using it for this condition. It also apparently speeds up the healing of burns. With every order, you receive a printed card telling of the proven attributes of hypochlorous acid (HOCL). It's a pretty remarkable solution. Though I did not receive a formal diagnosis from a dermatologist, I am fairly certain what I had was eczema. It had all the earmarks of eczema. It has completely cleared up.
My wife was prescribed a hot wash cloth to cover the eyes before bed. It worked! The, cause of the problem was the use of love iridescent eyeliner, which was composed of iridescent fish scales that were contaminated with bacteria.. this goes back to the 1970s!
Find on substack, "A Midwestern Doctor" He has multiple articles and studies on DMSO. Seems DMSO is excellent for skin issues. A very interesting option... that the FDS took away in the 60's, from pharma pressure making their products obsolete.
Yes, I have read this doctor's articles. I had not thought to try DMSO for a skin rash, but it also may have helped. Thanks for reminding me of this possible option.
The positives that DMSO bring, do include skin treatment(s)... You'll find links in his articles that wind you to the various topics; Spinal problems, arthritis, etc. I use it for my knees and shoulder joints... it helps, even though my knee has been 'bone on bone' for 30+ years. Glad I found AMD (A Midwestern Doctor).
Another very good product is made by ChyloCure (also known as ChyloRelief). It is a small company in Virginia that makes their own CBD products. I have been using their balm stick for a few years & it works well for any kind of pain. It comes in a cream too. They have recently started making an extra potency CBD cream. My sister is using it for her knee pain, which is pretty bad. She says that it keeps the pain in check & is keeping her mobile. She prefers not to have a knee replacement as she had the other knee replaced a few years ago & had a difficult recovery. chylorelief.com
I got the Norovirus in Italy last November. Thankfully it was on a day of no tours. My son in laws brother lives in Rome. We were going to visit him. My husband stayed with me. I was soooo sick. I just had it one day . Thank heavens as we had a 13 hours tour to Pompeii the next day. I didn’t eat much of anything except crackers and water. I’m going to buy some of that product. Thank you for the info
I am so sorry that you had such a bad bout of the Norovirus - especially while away on vacation. That must have been awful. I'm glad that it was short-lived & you were able to keep your plans for the following day.
Did this come accompanied by a head cold or flu like illness? Because I have seen people with these symptoms, too and would love to know if it something going round.
I use ClO2 (Chlorine Dioxide) for the purposes described above, although Hyperclorous Acid has a wider safety range. I use several preparations, depending on what I'm using it for...Safrax tablets for cleaning toxic spaces (moldy cars, musty bedrooms and bathrooms, purifying 55-gallon water barrels to keep water potable), and a premixed solution called CDS (prepared by distilling ClO2), which makes a product that is easier to use in small quantities for food safety or wound care.
I'd love to see the CDC/FDA come out with TRUE information regarding the benefit of products like these, with their efficacy and safety. Another huge benefit to using either ClO2 or HOCl is the absence of byproducts when broken down after useage.
Twenty years ago on a River cruise in France about 40% of the 110 passengers came down with a viral infection that certainly could have been Nora. I had all the symptoms. Went into a French village apothecary and asked for a none prescription powder that halted the symptoms. I was given the name in French by a crew member. May have been palative, but it was a welcomed release. Many of the ship's personnel are from third world countries. They should be checked for health issues before they come to work. The vaccine boys get all excited when 100 measle cases are reported, but the medical profession is indifferent to the 30,000 Americans who die each year from C-Diff, which is a bacteriel infection resident in hospitals that are not properly santized. Over 500,000 patients who are discharged from US Hospitals come down with the infection. Nothing is mentioned about this issue in the boiler plate discharge papers. Why? I lost a good friend from C-Diff. It should never have happened. In my view, the hospitals are complicit it these deaths because they remain silent and DO NOT WARN! When I got back to the states I checked to see if the product ingredients were available here, and they are not.
We have gone on lots of Royal Carrinbean cruises, fortunately never having a problem! We had booked one before Covid began and had to get a refund. When I saw Serenade of the Seas I was disappointed, I really like cruises and Royal Caribbean is more an adult line. There’s no guarantees in life that’s for sure.
My wife being in an OR for 40 years loves rubbing alcohol. When she disinfects something she pours it directly out of the bottle in a large volume. When covid hit, whenever I found it I would buy quantities of it so we still have many bottles. I certainly would shy away from Royal Caribbean’s ship named Norwalk of the Seas. 😒🤮💩
James, my husband and I were great cruisers when he was alive. We never had any issues. It’s not for everyone but we loved it. But I agree-wash those hands, frequently!
Aaah. Me too. My husband was in a wheelchair/electric scooter the last five years of his time here on earth and cruising allowed him to still travel and see the world . The staff on all our cruises were so kind to disabled cruisers and made the experiences pleasurable. It worked for us!
There is reason #1 why I’ve never done a cruise. People are nasty and you understand immediately how many use poor hygiene. Those who have poor hygiene are then free to roam around and make people sick. There’s nothing you can do but avoid situations like that. I’m not a germaphobe at all. I also could never be confined like that but that’s not what is being talked about here. My wife has been a nurse for 30 years and has preached hand cleanliness. She has said if you just washed your hands many people would not get sick and it’s worked for us.
I’m a retired ER nurse and I always believed in good handwashing with soap and water! When later in my career the Purell units went up and we were actually watched by administrators to see if we washed in and out of rooms… I stood my ground and washed my hands at the sink when I entered and before I left the room. I worked there for 40 years and never caught the flu or any of the GI flu that was presently making its way through my community.
Funny you should say that as my wife was front line during Covid and neither of us caught it. We also added Zinc and drank tonic water but hand washing is the trick. People don’t realize how many times they put their hands to their mouth or eyes or nose and that’s where bad stuff enters your body. It makes too much sense to not make it a habit. My wife’s job makes them wear some tag on her badge that can tell if they are hand washing. She constantly wins for hand washing every quarter. So much that her boss needs to give her the award privately every now and again as they give the award to the second winner publicly for morale. Yes, her hospital is woke as shit.
You are so right James about how often people touch their faces without realizing it! During the mandatory masking was a perfect example.. I noticed how often in the supermarket people constantly touching their face as they adjusted their masks because they didn’t fit properly or they just wore them over their nose with their mouth exposed or the mouth covered and nose exposed! What a stupid useless mandate that was! I never heard of a badge that could monitor if you washed your hands. Congrats to your wife!!
My one experience with "cruising" was a river cruise back in 2008 - son’s mom and I were the youngest at 51 - I write this mostly to pass on my amazement at the spirit of most of those geezers, a spirit I’d like to aspire to.
While I was knowledgeable about norovirus, as well as the numerous cruises affected by outbreaks, we had no issues on our excursion - perhaps the instructions and warnings thru out the cruise helped.
Now, for my throw away line: I thought norovirus came from ocean liners and it was a risk you took — mRNA? 🤨 😝
One of the leading causes of death in Third World Countries is lack of food...starvation They need food and sanitation far more than they need vaccines... which Gate and the UN has been promoting to enrich their coffers. If they had enough decent food and knew about sanitation, the statistics would be different. Mankind survived for eons of time on natural food, without drugs and vaccines, when the world was pristine.
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I have never had Norovirus - thankfully! - but I have heard that if you get it, it is the worst 2 days of your life. It most likely won't kill you, but you might wish you were dead. At least that's the way it has been described to me. The best medicine is prevention - through good sanitation and hand hygiene.
More like 4 and it is brutal. Like being prepped for a colonoscopy after having eaten something bad. You basically live in the toilet. With a bucket to the side.
I've had it twice — at least, I think that's what it was. The second time, I didn't vomit but had severe stomach pain, enough that I went to the ER. They couldn't find anything wrong, though (my appendix was already long gone). I think it must have been norovirus. As I recall, the whole episode lasted just a few hours.
The first time was longer ago and I don't remember that much about it.
Oddly, on neither occasion did my wife catch it. Some genetic resistance?
The lack of medical community reverence for hypochlorous acid is simple. It is not patentable; hence insufficiently profitable. Similar to "cures" likely discovered and subsequently buried by pharma research, ain't no money to be made there. Chronic disease is where the fruit lies for drug mfgs.. Fix me once, same on pharma, fix me indefinitely ,great for pharma It is difficult, but believing that the drug industry is about health, is a monumental error. If any cure is discovered via naturopathic means, that script flips.
"There are no specific pharmaceutical antiviral agents used to treat norovirus infection. There are no vaccines available to prevent or reduce norovirus infection, disease, or spread."
I was hoping my supply of Ivermectin anti-viral medicine would come in handy for this. Just wondering, are there no antiviral agents, as stated, because IVM is off-label and not clinically tested for it or is Norovirus just a different animal and not affected by IVM?
We asked ChatGPT for help, and the answer appeared to actually be helpful, though we cannot evaluate the science. Here's what we asked and learned:
We asked:
Since ivermectin is effective against coronavirus (Sars-Cov2) (an RNA virus) could it also work for noroviruses (also RNA viruses)?
ChatGPT said:
That’s a really thoughtful question — but let’s break it down carefully.
While both SARS-CoV-2 and noroviruses are indeed RNA viruses, that similarity alone isn’t enough to predict that a drug effective (or proposed to be) against one would work against the other. The term “RNA virus” just means the virus’s genetic material is RNA rather than DNA — but the structure, replication mechanisms, and viral proteins can differ drastically between families.
Here’s how it breaks down:
1. Mechanism of ivermectin
Ivermectin is primarily an antiparasitic drug, and its proposed antiviral effects (in lab studies) are thought to involve inhibition of nuclear transport proteins (importin α/β1). Some viruses rely on these host pathways to move viral proteins into the nucleus.
In cell culture, ivermectin showed inhibition of replication for some RNA viruses (e.g., dengue, Zika, and SARS-CoV-2).
However, the concentrations needed in vitro are far higher than what is safe or achievable in humans — so these effects haven’t translated into clinical benefit.
2. Norovirus biology
Noroviruses replicate entirely in the cytoplasm of host cells and do not depend on nuclear import mechanisms the same way some other RNA viruses might. So the proposed mechanism of ivermectin’s antiviral action doesn’t apply well to noroviruses.
3. Clinical evidence
As of now, there is no evidence — lab, animal, or clinical — showing that ivermectin is effective against noroviruses. Norovirus infections remain self-limiting in most people, and treatment focuses on hydration and supportive care, not antivirals.
✅ In summary:
Even though both are RNA viruses, ivermectin’s hypothesized antiviral mechanisms don’t target pathways that noroviruses depend on. Therefore, ivermectin is not expected to work against norovirus, and there’s no data supporting its use for that purpose.
I had what could have been a norm virus two weeks ago. Coincidentally, I had taken Ivermectin the night I got sick. It did not help but I only took the one 12 mg. tablet (I take weekly for Lyme and related diseases).
Definitely a disease process to be avoided! Thanks for all the details on what it is, its behavior, what doesn't work and ways to avoid it. Do wish they would resolve the
modMRNA issues for this and all other purposes or move on to other platforms!
As a child, my parents took me on a small vessel from Chicago to Benton Harbor MI. I recall a fellow passenger with an ax who had to be subdued. Never any diseases.
My horse kept me ground tied, so no experiences with or desires for Big Cruising. These days restaurants don't offer sufficient enticrments to present a risk. Giant has a good track record for safe produce.
But the reminder re HOCL is golden! Have finally put out enough fires to be able to follow through and get some! Thank you!
OFF TOPIC:
Enjoyed your report at the MAHA weekly today. I agree you and your fellows are over the target and realizing gratifying progress. The oppositions are legion, but loosing ground.
Gather the air traffic controllers calling in sick is disrupting service here and there. Safe travels! Expect the IMA will be worth the effort. They've been writing on the merits and pathways for traditional practice. I'm hoping they'll be successful.
For years now in the pocket on the back of the passenger seat of my truck I keep a generic spray bottle with isopropyl alcohol. We go shopping, we go to church, we go anywhere. When we get in the truck to go home I give a spray to our hands and rub. I worked through the disease BS never injected or masked. Is hypochlorous acid a better spray alternative to the isopropyl?
Jez! You're still pitching the un isolated virus hypothesis?! WTF? All the sciency gobbledygook and nice virus art work ignores the huge fact that these have never satisfied Koch's postulates, never been actually isolated, and can easily be explained by shed toxins, bacteria toxins, EMFs, stress, overeating (on cruise ships? the "Lard Boats", and other factors. Still encouraging poisoning ourselves with hand sanitizers, and other toxins. You are smarter than this. Don't make me unsubscribe after all the years supporting you.
Right there with you, Robby — feels like we’re two passengers on the same ship while everyone else is still buying the “pathogen cruise package.”
Every time I look into so-called “isolation,” it’s the same circular setup: stool filtrates, PCR fragments, and computer models standing in for a real, purified particle. If Koch’s postulates had actually been met, we wouldn’t have to keep asserting it.
I’ve come to see what’s labeled “norovirus” as cellular debris — exosomes from stressed tissue — not some invisible invader. Glad to know I’m not the only one refusing to swallow the germ gospel whole.
Please expand on and explain your comment vis-à-vis the image in Dr. Malone's article with the caption "X-ray crystallographic structure of the Norovirus (Norwalk Agent) capsid, informed in part by high-resolution electron microscopic imaging of isolated virus". Thank you.
See Turfseer's reply, which does as pretty good job. Dr Sam Bailey and many others, James Roduski's 'Viroliegy' have so thoroughly debunked the entire foundation of the Allopaths and the fraud of claiming that the microscopic aspect of our life's eco-system is made up of little killers trying to destroy us. It's nature's ecosystem, designed to clean up unhealthy and polluted life forms, which, unfortunately is sometimes us. It's about keeping the 'garden' healthy, not going to war against the particles and symptoms that warn us and help us detoxify. Time to shift your paradigm, Robert, or become distrusted by many of us who have supported and trusted you. See 'https://viroliegy.com/' and 'Virus Mania' by Dr Sam Bailey.
Looking at the information provided by Curativa Bay on their web site, nowhere could I find the concentration of their HOCl products. This article and others discuss the effectiveness of various concentration, especially 20 ppm and 200 ppm. Can anyone tell me the strength of Curativa Bay's products, please?
I bought Curativa advanced hypochlorous skin spray. The ingredients listed on the side of the spray bottle are Electrolyzed Water H2O, Sodium Chloride NaCl, and Hypochlorous Acid HOCL. 02% / 200 PPM.
I bought it to use primarily as an underarm spray. Deodorants and antiperspirants make my arm pits extremely itchy. The Curativa spray works well to suppress odor.
I am sold on HOCL. After your recent substack on this solution, I purchased the skin spray from Curativa Bay to try it for a rash that I had developed on one side of my neck. It persisted for many weeks, in spite of trying other products (hydrocortisone creams, Gold Bond creams, etc.). It was spreading & was incredibly itchy. I was just about to make an appointment with a dermatologist. I received the product on 9/30 & used it several times a day. By the 3rd day, there was a 75% improvement & no longer itched. By the 5th day, it was essentially gone. I plan to always have a supply on hand & intend to purchase the products this company makes for dogs. It can even be used for eye conditions such as blepharitis & styes. I've already told others about it. Thanks very much for sharing this information with your subscribers.
I’m glad this HOLC was mentioned. I remember that post from a while back and wanted to get some. I tend to have all kinds of skin issues.
You'll be glad you did. I actually e-mailed the company this morning, to further inquire about using the solution for blepharitis (an inflammation of the eyelids, especially along the innermost area of your eye lashes. They sent me a lengthy article about blepharitis & how eye doctors are now using it for this condition. It also apparently speeds up the healing of burns. With every order, you receive a printed card telling of the proven attributes of hypochlorous acid (HOCL). It's a pretty remarkable solution. Though I did not receive a formal diagnosis from a dermatologist, I am fairly certain what I had was eczema. It had all the earmarks of eczema. It has completely cleared up.
My wife was prescribed a hot wash cloth to cover the eyes before bed. It worked! The, cause of the problem was the use of love iridescent eyeliner, which was composed of iridescent fish scales that were contaminated with bacteria.. this goes back to the 1970s!
Yikes - that's pretty scary.
Find on substack, "A Midwestern Doctor" He has multiple articles and studies on DMSO. Seems DMSO is excellent for skin issues. A very interesting option... that the FDS took away in the 60's, from pharma pressure making their products obsolete.
Yes, I have read this doctor's articles. I had not thought to try DMSO for a skin rash, but it also may have helped. Thanks for reminding me of this possible option.
The positives that DMSO bring, do include skin treatment(s)... You'll find links in his articles that wind you to the various topics; Spinal problems, arthritis, etc. I use it for my knees and shoulder joints... it helps, even though my knee has been 'bone on bone' for 30+ years. Glad I found AMD (A Midwestern Doctor).
Another very good product is made by ChyloCure (also known as ChyloRelief). It is a small company in Virginia that makes their own CBD products. I have been using their balm stick for a few years & it works well for any kind of pain. It comes in a cream too. They have recently started making an extra potency CBD cream. My sister is using it for her knee pain, which is pretty bad. She says that it keeps the pain in check & is keeping her mobile. She prefers not to have a knee replacement as she had the other knee replaced a few years ago & had a difficult recovery. chylorelief.com
I got the Norovirus in Italy last November. Thankfully it was on a day of no tours. My son in laws brother lives in Rome. We were going to visit him. My husband stayed with me. I was soooo sick. I just had it one day . Thank heavens as we had a 13 hours tour to Pompeii the next day. I didn’t eat much of anything except crackers and water. I’m going to buy some of that product. Thank you for the info
I am so sorry that you had such a bad bout of the Norovirus - especially while away on vacation. That must have been awful. I'm glad that it was short-lived & you were able to keep your plans for the following day.
Did this come accompanied by a head cold or flu like illness? Because I have seen people with these symptoms, too and would love to know if it something going round.
I think you meant to direct your question to Melanie Reynolds, as it was Melanie that became ill with Norovirus.
Opps! Sorry. :-)
I use ClO2 (Chlorine Dioxide) for the purposes described above, although Hyperclorous Acid has a wider safety range. I use several preparations, depending on what I'm using it for...Safrax tablets for cleaning toxic spaces (moldy cars, musty bedrooms and bathrooms, purifying 55-gallon water barrels to keep water potable), and a premixed solution called CDS (prepared by distilling ClO2), which makes a product that is easier to use in small quantities for food safety or wound care.
I'd love to see the CDC/FDA come out with TRUE information regarding the benefit of products like these, with their efficacy and safety. Another huge benefit to using either ClO2 or HOCl is the absence of byproducts when broken down after useage.
Look into "A Midwestern Doctor" on substack.
DMSO found to be great for various skin rashes...
Twenty years ago on a River cruise in France about 40% of the 110 passengers came down with a viral infection that certainly could have been Nora. I had all the symptoms. Went into a French village apothecary and asked for a none prescription powder that halted the symptoms. I was given the name in French by a crew member. May have been palative, but it was a welcomed release. Many of the ship's personnel are from third world countries. They should be checked for health issues before they come to work. The vaccine boys get all excited when 100 measle cases are reported, but the medical profession is indifferent to the 30,000 Americans who die each year from C-Diff, which is a bacteriel infection resident in hospitals that are not properly santized. Over 500,000 patients who are discharged from US Hospitals come down with the infection. Nothing is mentioned about this issue in the boiler plate discharge papers. Why? I lost a good friend from C-Diff. It should never have happened. In my view, the hospitals are complicit it these deaths because they remain silent and DO NOT WARN! When I got back to the states I checked to see if the product ingredients were available here, and they are not.
We have gone on lots of Royal Carrinbean cruises, fortunately never having a problem! We had booked one before Covid began and had to get a refund. When I saw Serenade of the Seas I was disappointed, I really like cruises and Royal Caribbean is more an adult line. There’s no guarantees in life that’s for sure.
My wife being in an OR for 40 years loves rubbing alcohol. When she disinfects something she pours it directly out of the bottle in a large volume. When covid hit, whenever I found it I would buy quantities of it so we still have many bottles. I certainly would shy away from Royal Caribbean’s ship named Norwalk of the Seas. 😒🤮💩
James, my husband and I were great cruisers when he was alive. We never had any issues. It’s not for everyone but we loved it. But I agree-wash those hands, frequently!
We’ve always had great times on these ships. They are like a big city on the water. I’d honestly love to be on one right now!!
Aaah. Me too. My husband was in a wheelchair/electric scooter the last five years of his time here on earth and cruising allowed him to still travel and see the world . The staff on all our cruises were so kind to disabled cruisers and made the experiences pleasurable. It worked for us!
Me Too!
There is reason #1 why I’ve never done a cruise. People are nasty and you understand immediately how many use poor hygiene. Those who have poor hygiene are then free to roam around and make people sick. There’s nothing you can do but avoid situations like that. I’m not a germaphobe at all. I also could never be confined like that but that’s not what is being talked about here. My wife has been a nurse for 30 years and has preached hand cleanliness. She has said if you just washed your hands many people would not get sick and it’s worked for us.
I’m a retired ER nurse and I always believed in good handwashing with soap and water! When later in my career the Purell units went up and we were actually watched by administrators to see if we washed in and out of rooms… I stood my ground and washed my hands at the sink when I entered and before I left the room. I worked there for 40 years and never caught the flu or any of the GI flu that was presently making its way through my community.
Funny you should say that as my wife was front line during Covid and neither of us caught it. We also added Zinc and drank tonic water but hand washing is the trick. People don’t realize how many times they put their hands to their mouth or eyes or nose and that’s where bad stuff enters your body. It makes too much sense to not make it a habit. My wife’s job makes them wear some tag on her badge that can tell if they are hand washing. She constantly wins for hand washing every quarter. So much that her boss needs to give her the award privately every now and again as they give the award to the second winner publicly for morale. Yes, her hospital is woke as shit.
You are so right James about how often people touch their faces without realizing it! During the mandatory masking was a perfect example.. I noticed how often in the supermarket people constantly touching their face as they adjusted their masks because they didn’t fit properly or they just wore them over their nose with their mouth exposed or the mouth covered and nose exposed! What a stupid useless mandate that was! I never heard of a badge that could monitor if you washed your hands. Congrats to your wife!!
Carnival cruise line leads the way on that issue!
My one experience with "cruising" was a river cruise back in 2008 - son’s mom and I were the youngest at 51 - I write this mostly to pass on my amazement at the spirit of most of those geezers, a spirit I’d like to aspire to.
While I was knowledgeable about norovirus, as well as the numerous cruises affected by outbreaks, we had no issues on our excursion - perhaps the instructions and warnings thru out the cruise helped.
Now, for my throw away line: I thought norovirus came from ocean liners and it was a risk you took — mRNA? 🤨 😝
One of the leading causes of death in Third World Countries is lack of food...starvation They need food and sanitation far more than they need vaccines... which Gate and the UN has been promoting to enrich their coffers. If they had enough decent food and knew about sanitation, the statistics would be different. Mankind survived for eons of time on natural food, without drugs and vaccines, when the world was pristine.
Breaking Down the Science: Why 160 PPM Changes Everything
At its core, this disinfectant is stabilized HOCl in electrolyzed water – simple, natural, and derived from salt and water. But don't let the simplicity fool you. Here's what sets it apart:
EPA Certification for Unlimited Shelf Life: Rigorously tested and approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, this isn't your average spray-and-pray solution. Traditional disinfectants degrade over time, losing efficacy after months on the shelf. Curativa Bay's proprietary stabilization technology ensures it remains at peak performance indefinitely – no more checking expiration dates or wasting money on batches that go bad. It's ready when you are, whether it's gathering dust in your emergency kit or front-and-center in your daily routine.
Broad-Spectrum Annihilation of Viruses and Pathogens: Effective against all viruses, including notoriously resilient ones like Norovirus, SARS-CoV-2, influenza, and emerging variants, as well as bacteria, fungi, and spores. Independent lab tests confirm a 99.999% kill rate on contact, making it a one-stop shield for homes, offices, schools, hospitals, and beyond. In a world where pathogens evolve faster than we can keep up, this is the universal defender we've been waiting for.
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I have never had Norovirus - thankfully! - but I have heard that if you get it, it is the worst 2 days of your life. It most likely won't kill you, but you might wish you were dead. At least that's the way it has been described to me. The best medicine is prevention - through good sanitation and hand hygiene.
More like 4 and it is brutal. Like being prepped for a colonoscopy after having eaten something bad. You basically live in the toilet. With a bucket to the side.
I've had it twice — at least, I think that's what it was. The second time, I didn't vomit but had severe stomach pain, enough that I went to the ER. They couldn't find anything wrong, though (my appendix was already long gone). I think it must have been norovirus. As I recall, the whole episode lasted just a few hours.
The first time was longer ago and I don't remember that much about it.
Oddly, on neither occasion did my wife catch it. Some genetic resistance?
The lack of medical community reverence for hypochlorous acid is simple. It is not patentable; hence insufficiently profitable. Similar to "cures" likely discovered and subsequently buried by pharma research, ain't no money to be made there. Chronic disease is where the fruit lies for drug mfgs.. Fix me once, same on pharma, fix me indefinitely ,great for pharma It is difficult, but believing that the drug industry is about health, is a monumental error. If any cure is discovered via naturopathic means, that script flips.
"There are no specific pharmaceutical antiviral agents used to treat norovirus infection. There are no vaccines available to prevent or reduce norovirus infection, disease, or spread."
I was hoping my supply of Ivermectin anti-viral medicine would come in handy for this. Just wondering, are there no antiviral agents, as stated, because IVM is off-label and not clinically tested for it or is Norovirus just a different animal and not affected by IVM?
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We asked ChatGPT for help, and the answer appeared to actually be helpful, though we cannot evaluate the science. Here's what we asked and learned:
We asked:
Since ivermectin is effective against coronavirus (Sars-Cov2) (an RNA virus) could it also work for noroviruses (also RNA viruses)?
ChatGPT said:
That’s a really thoughtful question — but let’s break it down carefully.
While both SARS-CoV-2 and noroviruses are indeed RNA viruses, that similarity alone isn’t enough to predict that a drug effective (or proposed to be) against one would work against the other. The term “RNA virus” just means the virus’s genetic material is RNA rather than DNA — but the structure, replication mechanisms, and viral proteins can differ drastically between families.
Here’s how it breaks down:
1. Mechanism of ivermectin
Ivermectin is primarily an antiparasitic drug, and its proposed antiviral effects (in lab studies) are thought to involve inhibition of nuclear transport proteins (importin α/β1). Some viruses rely on these host pathways to move viral proteins into the nucleus.
In cell culture, ivermectin showed inhibition of replication for some RNA viruses (e.g., dengue, Zika, and SARS-CoV-2).
However, the concentrations needed in vitro are far higher than what is safe or achievable in humans — so these effects haven’t translated into clinical benefit.
2. Norovirus biology
Noroviruses replicate entirely in the cytoplasm of host cells and do not depend on nuclear import mechanisms the same way some other RNA viruses might. So the proposed mechanism of ivermectin’s antiviral action doesn’t apply well to noroviruses.
3. Clinical evidence
As of now, there is no evidence — lab, animal, or clinical — showing that ivermectin is effective against noroviruses. Norovirus infections remain self-limiting in most people, and treatment focuses on hydration and supportive care, not antivirals.
✅ In summary:
Even though both are RNA viruses, ivermectin’s hypothesized antiviral mechanisms don’t target pathways that noroviruses depend on. Therefore, ivermectin is not expected to work against norovirus, and there’s no data supporting its use for that purpose.
I had what could have been a norm virus two weeks ago. Coincidentally, I had taken Ivermectin the night I got sick. It did not help but I only took the one 12 mg. tablet (I take weekly for Lyme and related diseases).
*Norovirus
Why go on cruise? It’s a breeding ground for infectious diseases. And on my travels, I always have my chlorine dioxide kit with me.
I'm watching a live Trump roundtable on ANTIFA now.
Definitely a disease process to be avoided! Thanks for all the details on what it is, its behavior, what doesn't work and ways to avoid it. Do wish they would resolve the
modMRNA issues for this and all other purposes or move on to other platforms!
As a child, my parents took me on a small vessel from Chicago to Benton Harbor MI. I recall a fellow passenger with an ax who had to be subdued. Never any diseases.
My horse kept me ground tied, so no experiences with or desires for Big Cruising. These days restaurants don't offer sufficient enticrments to present a risk. Giant has a good track record for safe produce.
But the reminder re HOCL is golden! Have finally put out enough fires to be able to follow through and get some! Thank you!
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Enjoyed your report at the MAHA weekly today. I agree you and your fellows are over the target and realizing gratifying progress. The oppositions are legion, but loosing ground.
Gather the air traffic controllers calling in sick is disrupting service here and there. Safe travels! Expect the IMA will be worth the effort. They've been writing on the merits and pathways for traditional practice. I'm hoping they'll be successful.
For years now in the pocket on the back of the passenger seat of my truck I keep a generic spray bottle with isopropyl alcohol. We go shopping, we go to church, we go anywhere. When we get in the truck to go home I give a spray to our hands and rub. I worked through the disease BS never injected or masked. Is hypochlorous acid a better spray alternative to the isopropyl?
Jez! You're still pitching the un isolated virus hypothesis?! WTF? All the sciency gobbledygook and nice virus art work ignores the huge fact that these have never satisfied Koch's postulates, never been actually isolated, and can easily be explained by shed toxins, bacteria toxins, EMFs, stress, overeating (on cruise ships? the "Lard Boats", and other factors. Still encouraging poisoning ourselves with hand sanitizers, and other toxins. You are smarter than this. Don't make me unsubscribe after all the years supporting you.
Norovirus is isolated and replicated. Did you read the essay?
And koch’s postulates have been met. Hence challenge studies
Right there with you, Robby — feels like we’re two passengers on the same ship while everyone else is still buying the “pathogen cruise package.”
Every time I look into so-called “isolation,” it’s the same circular setup: stool filtrates, PCR fragments, and computer models standing in for a real, purified particle. If Koch’s postulates had actually been met, we wouldn’t have to keep asserting it.
I’ve come to see what’s labeled “norovirus” as cellular debris — exosomes from stressed tissue — not some invisible invader. Glad to know I’m not the only one refusing to swallow the germ gospel whole.
Please expand on and explain your comment vis-à-vis the image in Dr. Malone's article with the caption "X-ray crystallographic structure of the Norovirus (Norwalk Agent) capsid, informed in part by high-resolution electron microscopic imaging of isolated virus". Thank you.
See Turfseer's reply, which does as pretty good job. Dr Sam Bailey and many others, James Roduski's 'Viroliegy' have so thoroughly debunked the entire foundation of the Allopaths and the fraud of claiming that the microscopic aspect of our life's eco-system is made up of little killers trying to destroy us. It's nature's ecosystem, designed to clean up unhealthy and polluted life forms, which, unfortunately is sometimes us. It's about keeping the 'garden' healthy, not going to war against the particles and symptoms that warn us and help us detoxify. Time to shift your paradigm, Robert, or become distrusted by many of us who have supported and trusted you. See 'https://viroliegy.com/' and 'Virus Mania' by Dr Sam Bailey.
Looking at the information provided by Curativa Bay on their web site, nowhere could I find the concentration of their HOCl products. This article and others discuss the effectiveness of various concentration, especially 20 ppm and 200 ppm. Can anyone tell me the strength of Curativa Bay's products, please?
All their products are 200ppm
I bought Curativa advanced hypochlorous skin spray. The ingredients listed on the side of the spray bottle are Electrolyzed Water H2O, Sodium Chloride NaCl, and Hypochlorous Acid HOCL. 02% / 200 PPM.
I bought it to use primarily as an underarm spray. Deodorants and antiperspirants make my arm pits extremely itchy. The Curativa spray works well to suppress odor.