I think CEO Hamon should get a series of phone calls up and down the HHS chain, including one from RFKJr himself. And perhaps VP Vance should weigh in. Hamon should be forced to produce the "science" he used to make his firing decision on Dr. Milhoan. Despicable.
Actually, President Trump might be as outraged as the rest of us that Dr. Milhoan was terminated. Reminds me of some recent lawfare cases where trumped up charges were brought against a particular individual, albeit unsuccessfully. I doubt that Dr. Milhoan will be unemployed for long.
Milhoan was dismissed "because of public outrage"??? I doubt this. More like because of private outrage from the pharmaceutical industry and its allies, who wrote themselves or hired people to write complaints to create the illusion of opposition. If a poll were taken of Americans, I doubt any would have objections to Milhoan except on partisan grounds.
You can't grow the 100 billion vaccine industry if you can't mandate vaccinations. Informed consent and full disclosure and rational decision making between physician and patient will interfere with the goals of the producers. They don't want to shrink the business back to 1986 metrics.
With the muscle of the Pentagon and the intel community.
"...Operation Warp Speed was, in fact, a DOD-managed program. Through its officials, the Department of Defense oversaw vaccine development and directed supply, production, and distribution, paving the way for coercive, mass-vaccination programs with unsafe, zero-liability vaccines on terrified and often unwitting American citizens."
Exactly, Mark. Keyboard warriors living in their parents' basement. The same technique was used against Rush Limbaugh, and some limp-wristed sponsors fell for it and dropped their support.
He spent a lot of money to establish who exactly the complainers were and their actual numbers. Would be advertisers were shown his results and many took heart.
The 'We have no data' together with the vibe of the woman making the statement, could have been delivered by Leslie Nielsen in Airplane. It would be hilarious if the results of that statement did not mean death for children and adults, or long-term harm. Those saying we need the vaccines taken first to gather the safety data, should sign themselves and their families up first to be experimented upon. Maybe ACIP members could have a question-and-answer zoom session for Whoopi characters, to educate on the facts of medicine rather than the politics of medicine, because currently they are making medical decisions from a political perspective, which is guided by Pharma.
I know I am sounding like a broken record but am speaking from over 60 yrs of observation. Science and medicine operate from entirely different ethical platforms. For example, a biomed. scientist performing an experiment with animals may see one on the placebo side, a favorite, entering into a reversible death spiral. Ethics do not allow intervention. Sorry guy. However, doctors engaged in medical trials sure as blazes do not write off placebo failures for the sake of improved statistics. Not unless they are Josef Mengele (or Tony Fauci?). We need to push medical trials back into the realm of true medicine and quit pretending it is science. In my opinion much of what is wrong today stems from confusing patients with lab rats.
Watched that clip from 2018. Didn't Retsef Levi say something during the recent ACIP meeting; something like he was shocked by the shoddiness of the "science" that went into these vaccine approvals? It is shocking, isn't it?
Hopefully wrongful termination. Maybe his patients need to rise up. I had an attending when I was a resident whose patients refused to accept his termination.
I think it’s this scorched earth policy that stems from Trump derangement syndrome. Everything and anything tied to Trump and his administration has this blind hatred tied to it. This extends to Kennedy and anyone he appoints.
Also remember a lot of research funding was cut, and these surgeons were in the labs collecting taxpayer checks from their research. My wife has told me they all were complaining about the halt of their research and the money they will no longer receive. .
I agree. I have also heard from any number of federal employees (of which we have FAR too many in our small community) during the government shut down - they all seem to blame Trump (not the people who shut down the government) and to believe they are each so necessary themselves that they cannot grasp there might be more federal employees than are needed.
Trumps administration members are being blacklisted at law firms. They won’t take them as clients and they say they won’t hire them whenever Trumps term ends. The other big thing that has happened in the mayors race in Miami. Republicans didn’t turn out. Something is happening. I’ve heard the Republican congress has decided to let the democrats win the mid terms. They’re going to slow walk all legislation and grind Trumps agenda to a halt, they’ve been doing this since he won. Look at the big beautiful bill, Trump had to just about force them to get it passed. They fight him at every turn, even these drug boats bringing killer drugs into the U.S. The republicans are allowing a hearing to review legality of it. Did the democrats do that to Joe Biden when they were in control. The republicans didn’t do that to Joe Biden after they took control. The justice department (Pam Bondi, Kash, Bongino, etc.) haven’t prosecuted one high level Democrat, not one! Biden and his justice department had thousands in the gulag at this point. Not one person that pushed January 6th, raped children, the afghan evacuation, 13 dead, billions in equipment left, 350 billion to Zelenskyy, nothing, not one prosecution for anything. In my opinion he has the wrong people in place, some he picked, Mike Johnson and Thune were elected.
It is such a vicious circle. Young people go the route of medicine, many with good intentions but with bad teachings + huge debt afterwards. I so remember my grandfather being terribly upset with the way the profession was going. To create a situation where young, viable, possibly naive doctors must compete to win a favored position/funding and probably shamed/ostracized if they don't go along is so evil.
I think the TDS comes from a number of different directions. Some have been taught to hate through the educational system at an immature age, some by comradery within social groups, and some that know what they are doing - trying to bring down one of the last of the countries with a modicum of freedom. It is the latter that hope to gain control, at some level, when it tumbles. I watched some of the early efforts within the college/university system (even at a moderate public university in the Midwest). They are much further along on their quest, now.
Ignorance is not bliss! Medical doctors who promoted vaccines had no real knowledge about what their contents did in the human body...Many probably did not even know what vaccines contained, but they made money for the Medical Industry and the government. In 1957, I nearly lost my first child, because of permitting the doctor to give him vaccines. I knew in 1957 that aluminum and mercury created brain-damage, but I did not know they were in the injections he received; or that there were animal cells and viruses; or formaldehyde ...embalming fluid. i knew none of these items should be in the human bloodstream/. and many other toxic items were in them. These items should never have been used by medical doctors...and now they are much worse. SV-40 is used in labs to create cancer. Graphene oxide, polysorbate80,. polystyrene, .nano-particles...all deadly to the human body...and this Vaccine Industry still exists. What is wrong with the American government to support a deadly industry?
It seems to me that modern liberalism is quite Statist. Use the overwhelming power of government to solve all problems. If you're against it, you're a bad person.
Evil marches on. i keep seeing reports relating to ACIPs recommendations that say the HEPV is no longer recommended. The fact it is tthat it remains recommended where the mother is positive.
I vividly recall an earlier ACIP being advised there was no data and voting for the initiative anyway.
That Dr Milhoan has been forced down the same gauntlet you've faced and so many others have faced is infuriating. That, so to speak, witch burning continues into the present day, speaks evil. (Recognizing most if not all complaintants were likely shills of pharma). The march through institutions has been quite successful.
OFF TOPIC:
I participate in MAHA efforts. I agree with Lyons MAHA needs to be a part of the midterm effort.
I just received an impassioned survey from Mike Johnson implying his service was on the line in terms of his recommendations for campaign strategies. Frankly I found his directions unimpressive. Worse yet, no MAHA.
I think we do need the united MAGA - MAHA coalition that got Trump elected.
Am hoping your relations with MAHA may help in encouraging them to find ways to get involved and acknowledged.
Johnson did not offer any free form opportunity for input. I did not respond.
I assume Whoopi Goldberg would (did) let Xavier Becerra tell her what vaccines to take. I’m with you. Informed consent was all about transparency and providing facts and data to the public so that they can decide for themselves. It was taken from us and replaced with Uninformed Coercion(starting with the “experts”). The rest is history. We need to bring Informed Consent back and make it stronger than ever.
As far as I'm concerned, Becerra was the author of the most chilling moments ever from an HHS Secretary. I'll remember the announcements of federal door-to-door campaigns checking (and recording) COVID jab status, though last time I looked, it seemed some scrubbing had occurred wrt these articles. How about Becerra declaring to CNN that the feds absolutely had a right to know about our jab status? What a smug, sinister, smiling face he had. Issues of medical autonomy and the Nuremberg Code were trivialities to these tyrants.
The Empire strikes back. I knew there would be blowback from the recent ACIP panel recommendations, and it looks like Dr. Milhoan is an early major blow. Pour encourager les autres, as the French say. Gonna be interesting to see whose spines are stiffened and who caves, now that the stakes are clear.
On the cost/benefit question: I've never met a bureaucrat who agreed with my private-sector reality-based analyses. That was with dollars-and-cents issues, it looks like the analyses have been just as faulty in matters of life and death.
The news about Dr. Milhoan is heartbreaking because of what it says about the state of affairs in medicine today. I agree with your thought about the motive behind his dismissal. However, the incident also strips away another layer of the mask that hides the ugly face of those behind the attacks. Will that do any good, even in the long run? I have to admit, I'm not optimistic, but we have to keep pushing ahead because to give up means evil wins (again).
I'm actually encouraged by the news, especially if the Drs. Milhoan hold their ground. He was brave to accept the chair, and it appears that he has a wonderful advocate by his side, so I think that he will be all right. After all, he has the examples of the Drs. Malone to follow.
The usual accusation that anyone wanting to make changes is making "claims without evidence" is being repeated by "medicine" and in the media. Those opposed to any changes say "We must absolutely ignore them" in response to ACIP. As usual, this has nothing to do with science and everything to do with maintaining certain Powers.
I have confirmed with Kirk directly that this is the hospital that fired him.
Employer: Driscoll Children's Hospital.
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas.
Address: 3533 S. Alameda St., Corpus Christi, TX 78411.
Hospital Contact: (361) 694-5000.
CEO Name: Eric Hamon.
CEO Contact: (361) 694-5021.
I think CEO Hamon should get a series of phone calls up and down the HHS chain, including one from RFKJr himself. And perhaps VP Vance should weigh in. Hamon should be forced to produce the "science" he used to make his firing decision on Dr. Milhoan. Despicable.
Actually, President Trump might be as outraged as the rest of us that Dr. Milhoan was terminated. Reminds me of some recent lawfare cases where trumped up charges were brought against a particular individual, albeit unsuccessfully. I doubt that Dr. Milhoan will be unemployed for long.
Milhoan was dismissed "because of public outrage"??? I doubt this. More like because of private outrage from the pharmaceutical industry and its allies, who wrote themselves or hired people to write complaints to create the illusion of opposition. If a poll were taken of Americans, I doubt any would have objections to Milhoan except on partisan grounds.
You can't grow the 100 billion vaccine industry if you can't mandate vaccinations. Informed consent and full disclosure and rational decision making between physician and patient will interfere with the goals of the producers. They don't want to shrink the business back to 1986 metrics.
With the muscle of the Pentagon and the intel community.
"...Operation Warp Speed was, in fact, a DOD-managed program. Through its officials, the Department of Defense oversaw vaccine development and directed supply, production, and distribution, paving the way for coercive, mass-vaccination programs with unsafe, zero-liability vaccines on terrified and often unwitting American citizens."
"The Wuhan Cover-up"
RFK Jr
p 116
So..we are actually in a police state and the citizens don't get it!
My thoughts exactly!
Exactly, Mark. Keyboard warriors living in their parents' basement. The same technique was used against Rush Limbaugh, and some limp-wristed sponsors fell for it and dropped their support.
He spent a lot of money to establish who exactly the complainers were and their actual numbers. Would be advertisers were shown his results and many took heart.
I still miss Rush so much! He would challenge the narrative and go after the true story. Memory Eternal Rush!
If memory serves, rather than the thousands of purported outragees, the actual number was around sixty.
The 'We have no data' together with the vibe of the woman making the statement, could have been delivered by Leslie Nielsen in Airplane. It would be hilarious if the results of that statement did not mean death for children and adults, or long-term harm. Those saying we need the vaccines taken first to gather the safety data, should sign themselves and their families up first to be experimented upon. Maybe ACIP members could have a question-and-answer zoom session for Whoopi characters, to educate on the facts of medicine rather than the politics of medicine, because currently they are making medical decisions from a political perspective, which is guided by Pharma.
I know I am sounding like a broken record but am speaking from over 60 yrs of observation. Science and medicine operate from entirely different ethical platforms. For example, a biomed. scientist performing an experiment with animals may see one on the placebo side, a favorite, entering into a reversible death spiral. Ethics do not allow intervention. Sorry guy. However, doctors engaged in medical trials sure as blazes do not write off placebo failures for the sake of improved statistics. Not unless they are Josef Mengele (or Tony Fauci?). We need to push medical trials back into the realm of true medicine and quit pretending it is science. In my opinion much of what is wrong today stems from confusing patients with lab rats.
I'm in solidarity with the lab rats, also.
So was my wife
Truth is a balm to my ears!!
Watched that clip from 2018. Didn't Retsef Levi say something during the recent ACIP meeting; something like he was shocked by the shoddiness of the "science" that went into these vaccine approvals? It is shocking, isn't it?
...but Anthony Fauci is the science! ;)
Yes, and we need to trust the Science™ - right?
As far as I can through him. My offer to buy the rope still stands.
Meema squinty eyes emoji <-----
Any legal pushback on the hospital?
Hopefully wrongful termination. Maybe his patients need to rise up. I had an attending when I was a resident whose patients refused to accept his termination.
I think it’s this scorched earth policy that stems from Trump derangement syndrome. Everything and anything tied to Trump and his administration has this blind hatred tied to it. This extends to Kennedy and anyone he appoints.
Also remember a lot of research funding was cut, and these surgeons were in the labs collecting taxpayer checks from their research. My wife has told me they all were complaining about the halt of their research and the money they will no longer receive. .
I agree. I have also heard from any number of federal employees (of which we have FAR too many in our small community) during the government shut down - they all seem to blame Trump (not the people who shut down the government) and to believe they are each so necessary themselves that they cannot grasp there might be more federal employees than are needed.
Trumps administration members are being blacklisted at law firms. They won’t take them as clients and they say they won’t hire them whenever Trumps term ends. The other big thing that has happened in the mayors race in Miami. Republicans didn’t turn out. Something is happening. I’ve heard the Republican congress has decided to let the democrats win the mid terms. They’re going to slow walk all legislation and grind Trumps agenda to a halt, they’ve been doing this since he won. Look at the big beautiful bill, Trump had to just about force them to get it passed. They fight him at every turn, even these drug boats bringing killer drugs into the U.S. The republicans are allowing a hearing to review legality of it. Did the democrats do that to Joe Biden when they were in control. The republicans didn’t do that to Joe Biden after they took control. The justice department (Pam Bondi, Kash, Bongino, etc.) haven’t prosecuted one high level Democrat, not one! Biden and his justice department had thousands in the gulag at this point. Not one person that pushed January 6th, raped children, the afghan evacuation, 13 dead, billions in equipment left, 350 billion to Zelenskyy, nothing, not one prosecution for anything. In my opinion he has the wrong people in place, some he picked, Mike Johnson and Thune were elected.
Bastards
It is such a vicious circle. Young people go the route of medicine, many with good intentions but with bad teachings + huge debt afterwards. I so remember my grandfather being terribly upset with the way the profession was going. To create a situation where young, viable, possibly naive doctors must compete to win a favored position/funding and probably shamed/ostracized if they don't go along is so evil.
Agree…TDS is also Truth Derangement Syndrome. Some people cannot handle the truth nor are they interested in it.
I think the TDS comes from a number of different directions. Some have been taught to hate through the educational system at an immature age, some by comradery within social groups, and some that know what they are doing - trying to bring down one of the last of the countries with a modicum of freedom. It is the latter that hope to gain control, at some level, when it tumbles. I watched some of the early efforts within the college/university system (even at a moderate public university in the Midwest). They are much further along on their quest, now.
So Altruistic (insert sarcasm). the money, that is...
How discouraging to read about the dismissal of Milhoan.
Ignorance is not bliss! Medical doctors who promoted vaccines had no real knowledge about what their contents did in the human body...Many probably did not even know what vaccines contained, but they made money for the Medical Industry and the government. In 1957, I nearly lost my first child, because of permitting the doctor to give him vaccines. I knew in 1957 that aluminum and mercury created brain-damage, but I did not know they were in the injections he received; or that there were animal cells and viruses; or formaldehyde ...embalming fluid. i knew none of these items should be in the human bloodstream/. and many other toxic items were in them. These items should never have been used by medical doctors...and now they are much worse. SV-40 is used in labs to create cancer. Graphene oxide, polysorbate80,. polystyrene, .nano-particles...all deadly to the human body...and this Vaccine Industry still exists. What is wrong with the American government to support a deadly industry?
Money, Money, Money
It’s always “the money”!
It seems to me that modern liberalism is quite Statist. Use the overwhelming power of government to solve all problems. If you're against it, you're a bad person.
I think Whoopi should take ALL the vaxxes - ALL the time!
and all the boosters too!
I find it hard to believe that she is comfortable living here.
Pretty sure she lives an insolated, elite life. Except she is so put upon by all the racists.
Would that be in a zoo?
That would seem secure............for us.
Hope you aren't in the Uk or the cops would be banging down your door in 5...4...3...2...
My standards are much higher.
Evil marches on. i keep seeing reports relating to ACIPs recommendations that say the HEPV is no longer recommended. The fact it is tthat it remains recommended where the mother is positive.
I vividly recall an earlier ACIP being advised there was no data and voting for the initiative anyway.
That Dr Milhoan has been forced down the same gauntlet you've faced and so many others have faced is infuriating. That, so to speak, witch burning continues into the present day, speaks evil. (Recognizing most if not all complaintants were likely shills of pharma). The march through institutions has been quite successful.
OFF TOPIC:
I participate in MAHA efforts. I agree with Lyons MAHA needs to be a part of the midterm effort.
I just received an impassioned survey from Mike Johnson implying his service was on the line in terms of his recommendations for campaign strategies. Frankly I found his directions unimpressive. Worse yet, no MAHA.
I think we do need the united MAGA - MAHA coalition that got Trump elected.
Am hoping your relations with MAHA may help in encouraging them to find ways to get involved and acknowledged.
Johnson did not offer any free form opportunity for input. I did not respond.
I assume Whoopi Goldberg would (did) let Xavier Becerra tell her what vaccines to take. I’m with you. Informed consent was all about transparency and providing facts and data to the public so that they can decide for themselves. It was taken from us and replaced with Uninformed Coercion(starting with the “experts”). The rest is history. We need to bring Informed Consent back and make it stronger than ever.
As far as I'm concerned, Becerra was the author of the most chilling moments ever from an HHS Secretary. I'll remember the announcements of federal door-to-door campaigns checking (and recording) COVID jab status, though last time I looked, it seemed some scrubbing had occurred wrt these articles. How about Becerra declaring to CNN that the feds absolutely had a right to know about our jab status? What a smug, sinister, smiling face he had. Issues of medical autonomy and the Nuremberg Code were trivialities to these tyrants.
Whoopi Goldberg doing her best imitation of a broken clock.
We give her far too much space in our heads!
The Empire strikes back. I knew there would be blowback from the recent ACIP panel recommendations, and it looks like Dr. Milhoan is an early major blow. Pour encourager les autres, as the French say. Gonna be interesting to see whose spines are stiffened and who caves, now that the stakes are clear.
On the cost/benefit question: I've never met a bureaucrat who agreed with my private-sector reality-based analyses. That was with dollars-and-cents issues, it looks like the analyses have been just as faulty in matters of life and death.
The news about Dr. Milhoan is heartbreaking because of what it says about the state of affairs in medicine today. I agree with your thought about the motive behind his dismissal. However, the incident also strips away another layer of the mask that hides the ugly face of those behind the attacks. Will that do any good, even in the long run? I have to admit, I'm not optimistic, but we have to keep pushing ahead because to give up means evil wins (again).
I'm actually encouraged by the news, especially if the Drs. Milhoan hold their ground. He was brave to accept the chair, and it appears that he has a wonderful advocate by his side, so I think that he will be all right. After all, he has the examples of the Drs. Malone to follow.
The usual accusation that anyone wanting to make changes is making "claims without evidence" is being repeated by "medicine" and in the media. Those opposed to any changes say "We must absolutely ignore them" in response to ACIP. As usual, this has nothing to do with science and everything to do with maintaining certain Powers.