Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said on Wednesday that officials in Pennsylvania may have made up deaths that they described as associated with measles.
""The announcement appears to have been premature, and the deaths may even have been altogether fabricated by one of the Governor's hopeful staffers," Kennedy wrote in a post on X. "The Lancaster County Coroner says that it has no record of any measles deaths. State law requires that all measles deaths be reported to the coroner."
Lancaster County Coroner Steve Diamantoni told news outlets and a county commissioner that his office had not handled any deaths from measles. The office did see an infant who died shortly after birth from spleen laceration, and an autopsy determined that the primary cause of death was the laceration, Diamantoni told the Philadelphia Inquirer.
The pathologist who conducted the autopsy did not feel the death was related to measles, the coroner said. The office, which declined to comment to The Epoch Times, is still investigating the cause of the ruptured spleen.
Kennedy also told reporters in an unrelated press conference in Florida that Pennsylvania officials had not provided information about the deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
I got natural immunity. The only vaccine I took was smallpox, polio and Hepatitis when I went overseas. When I was a kid getting to miss school with measles, mumps and chickenpox was something to look forward too. Unfortunately I didn’t get chickenpox until I was grown and it wasn’t fun.
Count yourself another "Like" as for some reason I'm blocked from liking your comment, although I could "Like" the comment below yours.
And before some tech-nerd gets on my case, I'm using the latest version of Windows 11 Pro, just updated today, and the latest version of Chrome, updated yesterday.
You might check to see if you're logged into the Malone Substack. That has been my problem on the rare occasion I haven't been able to "Like" a comment. (No idea how I got logged out, but stuff happens!)
Try finding the Substack menu (for me, it's a dropdown from the lavender-colored ball at the top right on my laptop; on my phone, it's the 3 dots next to the search icon). Drop that menu down and see if it maybe says "Sign in" as the last option. That's how I discovered I wasn't signed in when the same thing happened to me.
The nerve racking thing to me is the more I learn about vaccines the more I realize there are long term effects from these vaccines that have never been studied. I recently heard people that got the measles vaccine are far more likely to get the shingles virus later in life. Or how about vaccines contaminated with SV 40 and the long term effects of that. What will be the results when seniors and the elderly start getting vaccine injections with a much weaker immune system? Do answers to these question cross the mind of the FDA?
Covid sure woke me up. Until then I imagined there was a vast enterprise assiduously monitoring everything and looking for interactions with everything else in order to keep us safe. I now see that studies are done with blinders on (narrow in scope and short in duration) so that profitable claims can be credibly made. I thought that our government alphabet soup agencies, for our benefit, were doing the non profitable work that needed to be done. But now I see that, all too often, they work for someone else.
I’m not sure if you ever saw the movie Idiocracy. Although it’s a comedy, certainly rude at times, it explains this slope of absolute stupidity we are sliding down.
Vitalanimal substack.com teaches a course on rabies in animals. Animals are Wayover vaccinated with the rabies vaccine and can develop rabies symptoms from the vaccine itself. Rabies vaccinosis.
I recently heard RFK Jr. say people vaccinated for measles, if I heard it right, are far more likely to get shingles later in life. It may have been the chicken pox vaccine??
Update on highlighting a profound structural reality of American history.
Essentially, the Bill of Rights existed, but for 150 years, the courts decided it didn't apply to "crazy" people or state-level health laws...
Long before the 20th century, state-run institutions like asylums, prisons, and poorhouses systematically replaced human names with numbers for administrative efficiency and social erasure.
The observation about the Bill of Rights is historically accurate: for the first century and a half of American history, the Bill of Rights did not protect citizens from the actions of state governments, and inside an asylum, a person legally lost their rights.
"Medical Absolute Power":
In the 1800s, the law viewed mental illness through the lens of Parens Patriae (the state as a parent).
No Due Process: In many states, a husband could commit his wife to an asylum simply by signing a paper, with no judge or jury involved.
*****************************
Here is how the legal and medical systems operated to allow this.
# 1. The Bill of Rights Did Not Apply to States
When the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791, it only applied to the federal government. The opening words of the First Amendment make this clear: "Congress shall make no law..."
If a state government decided to seize your property, restrict your speech, or lock you away without a fair trial, the federal Constitution offered no protection. This was confirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1833 case Barron v. Baltimore, which explicitly ruled that the Bill of Rights did not apply to state governments.
While the 14th Amendment was passed after the Civil War (in 1868) to force states to provide "due process" and "equal protection," the Supreme Court was incredibly slow to enforce it. The process of applying the Bill of Rights to the states (known as incorporation) did not truly begin until the 1920s and 1930s—well after the 1908 Ozark asylum era.
# 2. "Civil Death" and The Loss of Legal Personhood
In 1908, entering a state mental asylum was not viewed as a temporary hospital stay. Legally, it often resulted in a status known as civil death (mors civilis).
* The Legal Process: A local judge or a panel of doctors would declare an individual "insane" or "incompetent."
* Loss of Autonomy: Once committed, the individual lost the right to vote, sign contracts, marry, buy property, or sue in court.
* The Guardian System: All legal rights were stripped and handed over to a state-appointed guardian or the superintendent of the asylum. Because the patient was no longer recognized as a full legal person, the state had no obligation to track them by name in public-facing state files or annual budgets.
# 3. The Framing as a "Medical and Charitable" Issue
Because asylums were classified as medical, charitable, or "benevolent" institutions rather than prisons, state legislatures argued that constitutional protections against unlawful imprisonment did not apply.
* The state claimed it was acting under the legal doctrine of parens patriae (Latin for "parent of the country"). This meant the state had the inherent right to act as a parent to those it deemed unable to care for themselves.
* Since the confinement was framed as "treatment" and "charity" rather than "punishment," there was no requirement for a criminal trial, a jury, or the right to legal counsel.
# 4. Administrative Numbering vs. Ideological Numbering
While the practice of substituting numbers for names was widespread in American institutions, it is important to distinguish its intent from later totalitarian regimes like the Nazis.
* In American Asylums: The numbering was primarily a tool of cold bureaucracy and social hiding. The state cared about accounting (e.g., "Patient #402 consumed X bushels of grain"), and families wanted the shame of the individual's existence erased from public records.
However, the underlying mechanism was identical: a powerful bureaucracy deciding that a specific class of people did not warrant the dignity of a name in the official ledger.
******************************
The Bill of Rights focuses heavily on criminal defendants (Right to a lawyer, Right to remain silent). Because staying in an asylum was considered "civil commitment" for treatment—not a "punishment" for a crime—judges argued that patients weren't entitled to the same protections as a prisoner.
* The landmark Supreme Court cases that finally extended the Bill of Rights to state mental patients
* How early 19th-century "Anti-Involuntary Commitment" laws were fought for by activist patients like Elizabeth Packard.
* How the eugenics movement in early 1900s America used these state asylum records to target individuals.
Thank you for this very thorough discussion of the measles facts and needed answers!
I'm strongly in favor of having full detail before engaging in any therapeutic program. That is to say I'm in favor of being fully informed. This discussion lends itself to a conclusion, for seniors in particular, a great deal of highly relevant information is actually not known.
In my case, I'm not sure that I've had measles. My attending physicians have never asked. I am sure I've never had a measles vax.
Age not withstanding
The current mmr vax is very effective
What are the related risks?
What natural immunities will we loose if we contract measles now? If we get vaxed now?
If we would loose significant immunities, is there anything to do for it?
Another side of these issues
Will answers be sought? and answers provided?
Will "informed consent" be widely honored? Current Federal consideration could result in its no longer applying?
Your surfacing and offering these issues is greatly appreciated! May they be received by sources in a position to initiate action! We are far too often acting on presumptions, beliefs and hopes. This is way too flimsy!
God designed our immune system to WORK PROPERLY… catch a virus, recover, acquire immunity, and get “boosted” with every subsequent exposure. I have suspected that Shingles is occurring with more frequency because adults who HAD chickenpox in childhood are no longer getting exposed and boosted because everyone is getting vaccinated so the virus lays dormant and breaks out with a vengeance because the immune system never got the natural boost. Same thing will happen with Measles.
I had chicken pox as a child about 1.5 years after having measles. Both of my sons got the chickenpox when they were 10 and 5 years of age and hopefully my exposure boosted me. I was recommended the Shingrix vaccine and declined it post covid. I pretty much decided no more vaccines EVER!
If a cohort has not been vaccinated,will they probably outlive the vaccinated cohort. So if anything nefarious is going on , the unvaccinated will be a tell. When a group tells you they will kill you or enslave you ,I tend to believe them! IMO
A friend who is 45 just had a doctor's visit that included checking her blood for measles titers. Although she had the childhood vaccinations, she had none. She got the MMR shot and suggested to others to get checked. I was born in 1956 and have natural immunity, so I'm not worried.
In other words, there is A LOT that isn't known and hasn't been studied under some false premises. The next few years as we approach the age of the unknown outcome will, of course, be a little late to address this dilemma. Is it a big deal for children to have measles now while unvaccinated, any more than it was in my generation of the unvaccinated? Seems far better to let the measles run it's course, but now we have the vaccinated older adults to consider. Quite the unknown.
The MAHA Action folks had an MD on yesterday and who has written a book on measles. He seemed to be recommending being healthy, assuring appropriate vitamin A levels, with adjustments if threatened. In preference to vaccinating.
Many years ago, I read about the Immune system and how it works. It is composed of Lymph glands, or lymph nodes, located in many places in the body. These lymph glands propagate billions of white corpuscles to defend the bloodstream and keep it cleaned out of any matter, such as, foreign proteins, microscopic food allergens, dead cells, bacteria, etc. The function of the bloodstream is to carry nutrients from unprocessed food to the organs, glands and cells to NOURISH them, which creates energy and good health. The vaccine manufacturers claimed their vaccines created a great response...showing the vaccines worked. In view of the fact that vaccines contain foreign matter, which does not belong in the bloodstream...the great response would be the natural Immune System reacting like mad to the poison in these injections.. The lab-created matter in vaccines would not provide nourishment. It would damage the Immune System, the organs, glands and cells Before The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 was passed removing all liability for injuries and deaths for vaccines, vaccine manufacturers were facing a slew of multi-million dollar lawsuits for deadly and defective vaccines. Our government took them off the hook In the interim. Since 1986, they got so rich from selling their deadly and defective 'vaccines' that they bought out America. .
In just a few decades, we have shifted from acute, febrile, eruptive diseases—which progress centrifugally (the direction of healing) and primarily engage natural defenses, subsequently fostering lasting specific immunity—to conditions that are chronic and defective from the outset, characterized by generalized immunosuppression appearing at a very young age, sometimes even at birth.
By stifling the dramatic inflammatory flare-ups of acute illness...
The fire of desire!
We have opened Pandora’s box of chronic diseases that are checkmating modern medicine as it confronts the collapse of our vital drive and our immunity.
We are witnessing a veritable proliferation of degenerative and autoimmune diseases—ranging from cancers to conditions that gradually destroy our regulatory, nervous, endocrine, and immune systems.
2400 years ago, Hippocrates, the Father of medicine, was known for his cures. Too simple and no money attached. "Let Food be Your medicine; and Medicine be your Food." He also said that exercise was equally as important as food. In addition, he advised fresh air, sunlight, change of venue and a healthy lifestyle. His patients that listened got well. I follow his advice. Don't put poison in your mouth , if you want to be well!
I wonder if many of the twice-vaccinated won’t even reach sixty-five, because their immune systems were not strengthened by natural infections during childhood. Of course, the connection would be hard to prove because of the onslaught of ultra-processed foods, environmental toxins, and multiple vaccine toxins (especially spike proteins). I suspect that we are going to see a rapidly diminishing lifespan, especially now that children are now getting diseases normally only seen much later in life.
I read recently that measles is a disease that evolved with humans and in fact may provide some type of protective benefit that none of us who were never naturally infected will acquire. Wish i could remember the article...
Here’s one. Piper-Terry contends that by vaccinating away natural measles, we may have removed a key immune-maturity event, trading short-term prevention for elevated risks of chronic diseases and cancers down the line.”
Mayo is studying measles virus as a potential cancer therapy. Dr Nash reports that, “M.D. Anderson has been using it to treat multiple myeloma with rather good success...at least last I heard 5 or so yrs ago.”
Here’s the package insert for MMR; read section 6.
The word “autism” was replaced with encephalopathy, but the risks are the same.
More deaths from the vaccine than from the disease in developed countries. Japan has a measles/rubella vaccine. I don’t recall specifics, but other combinations had much higher adverse effects. Like our MMR perhaps???
The title states, "No Twice-Vaccinated Generation Has Reached Sixty-Five." Many of my childhood friends and I received the MMR twice as the first "did not take." We are now over 65 years of age.
Oh that’s similar to the line my mother was given to explain the need for my second immunization for smallpox. Do you wonder how prevalent this type of practice was then? Perhaps this was just the way of explaining/justifying the re immunization when you found out that there was some error or something wrong with the batch or product you had previously administered.
1. After a smallpox vaccination, if no scab formed, it "did not take", hence Round 2.
Not everyone subsequently developed a scar. Those who did not scar had a native [natural] immunity to pox.
2. Smallpox was routinely given with Yellow Fever as the latter helped the former "to take"
i.e., acting in the role of an adjuvant. Aluminum was later substituted with frequent disastrous results which are STILL being debated, sigh.
3. Despite my receiving MMR jabs x2, I still caught both measles and rubella. Years later, prior to starting medical school's Pediatric course, I had a mumps titre done. Result: ZERO titre despite 2 jabs. The medical school's physician-for-students [aka Dr. Wrong Way] then administered a straight Mumps vaccine. Within 72 hours, orchitis [orange sized, very painful testicles] appeared. Dr. Wrong Way insisted this was NOT due to the vaccine. Basic reading on the mumps vaccine revealed orchitis is a common side effect. About 1 year later, I had another mumps titre done. Result: ZERO titre, 3 total mumps jabs. Draw your own conclusions.
Thanks! My mother said she wasn’t convinced but wasn’t going to argue. Honestly I don’t know how reliable of a historian she was. That being said I used to be the one in the office in charge of the vaccines. Over the years I have seen some weird stuff in addition to just the ordinary mishandling and innocent errors. Now it’s standard to just fess up when there is an irregularity. Unfortunately, I don’t think that that was always the case. Oddly enough I too ended up with dose #2 and #3 of MMR because of medical school. Thankfully not because of infection but poor records and not paying attention (my fault). Number #4 years later came from having all records in storage because of a move and employee health doing serology. Then there is Hepatitis B immunization. I honestly can’t remember how many injections I have been given. At one point after each exposure ( young and clumsy) serology was done and immunization if not “immune”. I never was and got a lot. At least I never had the week my husband had when he was on autopsy service with separate exposures to both Hep C and TB! Sorry about the orchitis. The patients I have seen with this were really suffering. I can’t imagine having this during the time when it was expected to continue on with the rotation and act as if nothing is happening.
Why do we not just fix prenatal care and make sure no one has a deficient immune system which means Vitamin D over 50 ng's as part of the solution. Agree that the number one defense against all pathogens is a whole and vibrant immune system. I have experienced this time and again!
We keep slicing and dicing and never come to any conclusions.
But did they believe that that measles vaccination(s) gave enduring immunity? Even in 1986 when all the students at my university supposedly had received at least one measles vaccination, the whole student body was queued up for measles vaccinations when a case was reported to "have been on campus." Even those who could prove they received a measles vaccination were required to receive another vaccination.
As a mother of four who followed the 1990s vaccination schedule, I am severely disillusioned with the vaccine industry and the pediatricians who didn't push back against it.
We need more robust and repeatable research and policy makers who aren't intimidated by the fear porn of collectivists.
There is an unhealthy mindset behind the whole vaccine complex. That mindset is a God complex where our “betters” have determined what is in the best interest of we plebeians. The COVID debacle opened my eyes. I will have NO MORE vaccinations. I will risk the disease before I risk the vaccine. My life. My choices. My risk/benefit analysis.
When I worked in Employee Health within a large hospital system, some of the young adults vaccinated with 2 doses of MMR had sub therapeutic titers. We then had to administer a MMR booster and repeat their titers. Unknown if they would have been susceptible to measles if exposed.
This is exactly how I got dose #4 (long story) after age 50. So not being immunocompromised or someone who desperately wants to live forever I think I am done with this without more information. I do suspect that will not happen and despite the cost a 3rd (or 2nd) dose will just be added around age 50 or so to the schedule/checklist.
Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said on Wednesday that officials in Pennsylvania may have made up deaths that they described as associated with measles.
""The announcement appears to have been premature, and the deaths may even have been altogether fabricated by one of the Governor's hopeful staffers," Kennedy wrote in a post on X. "The Lancaster County Coroner says that it has no record of any measles deaths. State law requires that all measles deaths be reported to the coroner."
Lancaster County Coroner Steve Diamantoni told news outlets and a county commissioner that his office had not handled any deaths from measles. The office did see an infant who died shortly after birth from spleen laceration, and an autopsy determined that the primary cause of death was the laceration, Diamantoni told the Philadelphia Inquirer.
The pathologist who conducted the autopsy did not feel the death was related to measles, the coroner said. The office, which declined to comment to The Epoch Times, is still investigating the cause of the ruptured spleen.
Kennedy also told reporters in an unrelated press conference in Florida that Pennsylvania officials had not provided information about the deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/rfk-jr-says-pennsylvania-officials-may-have-fabricated-measles-deaths
I heard that they can't produce the missing measle people ⁉️🤔
Well, it is hard to find a fictional person in real life.
For sure‼️
“Measles related,” not measles deaths in 2 men, 87 & 89 with ongoing health issues. Probably Amish, and almost certainly with natural immunity.
Vax status is irrelevant. Anyone born before 1957 has presumptive natural immunity; vaccines and boosters not recommended.
The infant, reportedly a home birth, died from a ruptured spleen. The antibody titer is immunity from the mother!
I got natural immunity. The only vaccine I took was smallpox, polio and Hepatitis when I went overseas. When I was a kid getting to miss school with measles, mumps and chickenpox was something to look forward too. Unfortunately I didn’t get chickenpox until I was grown and it wasn’t fun.
Count yourself another "Like" as for some reason I'm blocked from liking your comment, although I could "Like" the comment below yours.
And before some tech-nerd gets on my case, I'm using the latest version of Windows 11 Pro, just updated today, and the latest version of Chrome, updated yesterday.
You might check to see if you're logged into the Malone Substack. That has been my problem on the rare occasion I haven't been able to "Like" a comment. (No idea how I got logged out, but stuff happens!)
I have the same issue… I can like a comment for awhile but then it turns off and I can’t like or respond to a person’s comments.
Try finding the Substack menu (for me, it's a dropdown from the lavender-colored ball at the top right on my laptop; on my phone, it's the 3 dots next to the search icon). Drop that menu down and see if it maybe says "Sign in" as the last option. That's how I discovered I wasn't signed in when the same thing happened to me.
Thanks, I’ll try that out next time!
It wasn't fun as a child, either.
Same for me exactly!
The nerve racking thing to me is the more I learn about vaccines the more I realize there are long term effects from these vaccines that have never been studied. I recently heard people that got the measles vaccine are far more likely to get the shingles virus later in life. Or how about vaccines contaminated with SV 40 and the long term effects of that. What will be the results when seniors and the elderly start getting vaccine injections with a much weaker immune system? Do answers to these question cross the mind of the FDA?
Covid sure woke me up. Until then I imagined there was a vast enterprise assiduously monitoring everything and looking for interactions with everything else in order to keep us safe. I now see that studies are done with blinders on (narrow in scope and short in duration) so that profitable claims can be credibly made. I thought that our government alphabet soup agencies, for our benefit, were doing the non profitable work that needed to be done. But now I see that, all too often, they work for someone else.
Shingles is the chickenpox virus, not measles.
Do not get the measles jab/shingles connection because 2 entirely different viruses.
I guess my point is I question injecting older people, like myself, with vaccines. I don’t think they know the repercussions of doing this.
They are over vaccinating period. The risk,from all these childhood diseases is less than the risk they are importing to the elderly.
Agreed, I often wonder if it’s intentional.
We have,entered the domain of "a little knowledge in the hands of a ...."
I’m not sure if you ever saw the movie Idiocracy. Although it’s a comedy, certainly rude at times, it explains this slope of absolute stupidity we are sliding down.
Vitalanimal substack.com teaches a course on rabies in animals. Animals are Wayover vaccinated with the rabies vaccine and can develop rabies symptoms from the vaccine itself. Rabies vaccinosis.
I read that too. It’s crazy that all the states require current rabies vaccination for our animals!🤯
I recently heard RFK Jr. say people vaccinated for measles, if I heard it right, are far more likely to get shingles later in life. It may have been the chicken pox vaccine??
What I was wondering. Measles an RNA virus, pox viruses are DNA.
You may find this history interesting:
Update on highlighting a profound structural reality of American history.
Essentially, the Bill of Rights existed, but for 150 years, the courts decided it didn't apply to "crazy" people or state-level health laws...
Long before the 20th century, state-run institutions like asylums, prisons, and poorhouses systematically replaced human names with numbers for administrative efficiency and social erasure.
The observation about the Bill of Rights is historically accurate: for the first century and a half of American history, the Bill of Rights did not protect citizens from the actions of state governments, and inside an asylum, a person legally lost their rights.
"Medical Absolute Power":
In the 1800s, the law viewed mental illness through the lens of Parens Patriae (the state as a parent).
No Due Process: In many states, a husband could commit his wife to an asylum simply by signing a paper, with no judge or jury involved.
*****************************
Here is how the legal and medical systems operated to allow this.
# 1. The Bill of Rights Did Not Apply to States
When the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791, it only applied to the federal government. The opening words of the First Amendment make this clear: "Congress shall make no law..."
If a state government decided to seize your property, restrict your speech, or lock you away without a fair trial, the federal Constitution offered no protection. This was confirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1833 case Barron v. Baltimore, which explicitly ruled that the Bill of Rights did not apply to state governments.
While the 14th Amendment was passed after the Civil War (in 1868) to force states to provide "due process" and "equal protection," the Supreme Court was incredibly slow to enforce it. The process of applying the Bill of Rights to the states (known as incorporation) did not truly begin until the 1920s and 1930s—well after the 1908 Ozark asylum era.
# 2. "Civil Death" and The Loss of Legal Personhood
In 1908, entering a state mental asylum was not viewed as a temporary hospital stay. Legally, it often resulted in a status known as civil death (mors civilis).
* The Legal Process: A local judge or a panel of doctors would declare an individual "insane" or "incompetent."
* Loss of Autonomy: Once committed, the individual lost the right to vote, sign contracts, marry, buy property, or sue in court.
* The Guardian System: All legal rights were stripped and handed over to a state-appointed guardian or the superintendent of the asylum. Because the patient was no longer recognized as a full legal person, the state had no obligation to track them by name in public-facing state files or annual budgets.
# 3. The Framing as a "Medical and Charitable" Issue
Because asylums were classified as medical, charitable, or "benevolent" institutions rather than prisons, state legislatures argued that constitutional protections against unlawful imprisonment did not apply.
* The state claimed it was acting under the legal doctrine of parens patriae (Latin for "parent of the country"). This meant the state had the inherent right to act as a parent to those it deemed unable to care for themselves.
* Since the confinement was framed as "treatment" and "charity" rather than "punishment," there was no requirement for a criminal trial, a jury, or the right to legal counsel.
# 4. Administrative Numbering vs. Ideological Numbering
While the practice of substituting numbers for names was widespread in American institutions, it is important to distinguish its intent from later totalitarian regimes like the Nazis.
* In American Asylums: The numbering was primarily a tool of cold bureaucracy and social hiding. The state cared about accounting (e.g., "Patient #402 consumed X bushels of grain"), and families wanted the shame of the individual's existence erased from public records.
However, the underlying mechanism was identical: a powerful bureaucracy deciding that a specific class of people did not warrant the dignity of a name in the official ledger.
******************************
The Bill of Rights focuses heavily on criminal defendants (Right to a lawyer, Right to remain silent). Because staying in an asylum was considered "civil commitment" for treatment—not a "punishment" for a crime—judges argued that patients weren't entitled to the same protections as a prisoner.
* The landmark Supreme Court cases that finally extended the Bill of Rights to state mental patients
* How early 19th-century "Anti-Involuntary Commitment" laws were fought for by activist patients like Elizabeth Packard.
* How the eugenics movement in early 1900s America used these state asylum records to target individuals.
Well, speaking from my limited medical understanding, maybe 🤔 we shouldn't have messed with mother nature⁉️
Just saying 😌 🤷 ‼️
Thank you for this very thorough discussion of the measles facts and needed answers!
I'm strongly in favor of having full detail before engaging in any therapeutic program. That is to say I'm in favor of being fully informed. This discussion lends itself to a conclusion, for seniors in particular, a great deal of highly relevant information is actually not known.
In my case, I'm not sure that I've had measles. My attending physicians have never asked. I am sure I've never had a measles vax.
Age not withstanding
The current mmr vax is very effective
What are the related risks?
What natural immunities will we loose if we contract measles now? If we get vaxed now?
If we would loose significant immunities, is there anything to do for it?
Another side of these issues
Will answers be sought? and answers provided?
Will "informed consent" be widely honored? Current Federal consideration could result in its no longer applying?
Your surfacing and offering these issues is greatly appreciated! May they be received by sources in a position to initiate action! We are far too often acting on presumptions, beliefs and hopes. This is way too flimsy!
Much success and just recognition!
God designed our immune system to WORK PROPERLY… catch a virus, recover, acquire immunity, and get “boosted” with every subsequent exposure. I have suspected that Shingles is occurring with more frequency because adults who HAD chickenpox in childhood are no longer getting exposed and boosted because everyone is getting vaccinated so the virus lays dormant and breaks out with a vengeance because the immune system never got the natural boost. Same thing will happen with Measles.
I had chicken pox as a child about 1.5 years after having measles. Both of my sons got the chickenpox when they were 10 and 5 years of age and hopefully my exposure boosted me. I was recommended the Shingrix vaccine and declined it post covid. I pretty much decided no more vaccines EVER!
Same conclusion for me. They can jolly well keep their silky vaccinations. I’m not participating further.
Interesting!
If a cohort has not been vaccinated,will they probably outlive the vaccinated cohort. So if anything nefarious is going on , the unvaccinated will be a tell. When a group tells you they will kill you or enslave you ,I tend to believe them! IMO
A friend who is 45 just had a doctor's visit that included checking her blood for measles titers. Although she had the childhood vaccinations, she had none. She got the MMR shot and suggested to others to get checked. I was born in 1956 and have natural immunity, so I'm not worried.
In other words, there is A LOT that isn't known and hasn't been studied under some false premises. The next few years as we approach the age of the unknown outcome will, of course, be a little late to address this dilemma. Is it a big deal for children to have measles now while unvaccinated, any more than it was in my generation of the unvaccinated? Seems far better to let the measles run it's course, but now we have the vaccinated older adults to consider. Quite the unknown.
The MAHA Action folks had an MD on yesterday and who has written a book on measles. He seemed to be recommending being healthy, assuring appropriate vitamin A levels, with adjustments if threatened. In preference to vaccinating.
Many years ago, I read about the Immune system and how it works. It is composed of Lymph glands, or lymph nodes, located in many places in the body. These lymph glands propagate billions of white corpuscles to defend the bloodstream and keep it cleaned out of any matter, such as, foreign proteins, microscopic food allergens, dead cells, bacteria, etc. The function of the bloodstream is to carry nutrients from unprocessed food to the organs, glands and cells to NOURISH them, which creates energy and good health. The vaccine manufacturers claimed their vaccines created a great response...showing the vaccines worked. In view of the fact that vaccines contain foreign matter, which does not belong in the bloodstream...the great response would be the natural Immune System reacting like mad to the poison in these injections.. The lab-created matter in vaccines would not provide nourishment. It would damage the Immune System, the organs, glands and cells Before The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 was passed removing all liability for injuries and deaths for vaccines, vaccine manufacturers were facing a slew of multi-million dollar lawsuits for deadly and defective vaccines. Our government took them off the hook In the interim. Since 1986, they got so rich from selling their deadly and defective 'vaccines' that they bought out America. .
Exactly.
In just a few decades, we have shifted from acute, febrile, eruptive diseases—which progress centrifugally (the direction of healing) and primarily engage natural defenses, subsequently fostering lasting specific immunity—to conditions that are chronic and defective from the outset, characterized by generalized immunosuppression appearing at a very young age, sometimes even at birth.
By stifling the dramatic inflammatory flare-ups of acute illness...
The fire of desire!
We have opened Pandora’s box of chronic diseases that are checkmating modern medicine as it confronts the collapse of our vital drive and our immunity.
We are witnessing a veritable proliferation of degenerative and autoimmune diseases—ranging from cancers to conditions that gradually destroy our regulatory, nervous, endocrine, and immune systems.
2400 years ago, Hippocrates, the Father of medicine, was known for his cures. Too simple and no money attached. "Let Food be Your medicine; and Medicine be your Food." He also said that exercise was equally as important as food. In addition, he advised fresh air, sunlight, change of venue and a healthy lifestyle. His patients that listened got well. I follow his advice. Don't put poison in your mouth , if you want to be well!
I wonder if many of the twice-vaccinated won’t even reach sixty-five, because their immune systems were not strengthened by natural infections during childhood. Of course, the connection would be hard to prove because of the onslaught of ultra-processed foods, environmental toxins, and multiple vaccine toxins (especially spike proteins). I suspect that we are going to see a rapidly diminishing lifespan, especially now that children are now getting diseases normally only seen much later in life.
I read recently that measles is a disease that evolved with humans and in fact may provide some type of protective benefit that none of us who were never naturally infected will acquire. Wish i could remember the article...
Here’s one. Piper-Terry contends that by vaccinating away natural measles, we may have removed a key immune-maturity event, trading short-term prevention for elevated risks of chronic diseases and cancers down the line.”
https://marcellapiperterry.substack.com/p/measles-and-cancer-measles-can-be
There are more.
Mayo is studying measles virus as a potential cancer therapy. Dr Nash reports that, “M.D. Anderson has been using it to treat multiple myeloma with rather good success...at least last I heard 5 or so yrs ago.”
Here’s the package insert for MMR; read section 6.
https://www.fda.gov/media/75191/download
The word “autism” was replaced with encephalopathy, but the risks are the same.
More deaths from the vaccine than from the disease in developed countries. Japan has a measles/rubella vaccine. I don’t recall specifics, but other combinations had much higher adverse effects. Like our MMR perhaps???
Not claiming cause and effect, but pediatric cancer rates have increased steadily, along with autism, since the MMR rollout.
The title states, "No Twice-Vaccinated Generation Has Reached Sixty-Five." Many of my childhood friends and I received the MMR twice as the first "did not take." We are now over 65 years of age.
Oh that’s similar to the line my mother was given to explain the need for my second immunization for smallpox. Do you wonder how prevalent this type of practice was then? Perhaps this was just the way of explaining/justifying the re immunization when you found out that there was some error or something wrong with the batch or product you had previously administered.
1. After a smallpox vaccination, if no scab formed, it "did not take", hence Round 2.
Not everyone subsequently developed a scar. Those who did not scar had a native [natural] immunity to pox.
2. Smallpox was routinely given with Yellow Fever as the latter helped the former "to take"
i.e., acting in the role of an adjuvant. Aluminum was later substituted with frequent disastrous results which are STILL being debated, sigh.
3. Despite my receiving MMR jabs x2, I still caught both measles and rubella. Years later, prior to starting medical school's Pediatric course, I had a mumps titre done. Result: ZERO titre despite 2 jabs. The medical school's physician-for-students [aka Dr. Wrong Way] then administered a straight Mumps vaccine. Within 72 hours, orchitis [orange sized, very painful testicles] appeared. Dr. Wrong Way insisted this was NOT due to the vaccine. Basic reading on the mumps vaccine revealed orchitis is a common side effect. About 1 year later, I had another mumps titre done. Result: ZERO titre, 3 total mumps jabs. Draw your own conclusions.
Thanks! My mother said she wasn’t convinced but wasn’t going to argue. Honestly I don’t know how reliable of a historian she was. That being said I used to be the one in the office in charge of the vaccines. Over the years I have seen some weird stuff in addition to just the ordinary mishandling and innocent errors. Now it’s standard to just fess up when there is an irregularity. Unfortunately, I don’t think that that was always the case. Oddly enough I too ended up with dose #2 and #3 of MMR because of medical school. Thankfully not because of infection but poor records and not paying attention (my fault). Number #4 years later came from having all records in storage because of a move and employee health doing serology. Then there is Hepatitis B immunization. I honestly can’t remember how many injections I have been given. At one point after each exposure ( young and clumsy) serology was done and immunization if not “immune”. I never was and got a lot. At least I never had the week my husband had when he was on autopsy service with separate exposures to both Hep C and TB! Sorry about the orchitis. The patients I have seen with this were really suffering. I can’t imagine having this during the time when it was expected to continue on with the rotation and act as if nothing is happening.
Yep. If you’re not horizontal, you’re on rotation. Those were the days…🤪
Ouch! 🤕
Why do we not just fix prenatal care and make sure no one has a deficient immune system which means Vitamin D over 50 ng's as part of the solution. Agree that the number one defense against all pathogens is a whole and vibrant immune system. I have experienced this time and again!
We keep slicing and dicing and never come to any conclusions.
Despite the highest per capita spending on health care,
53 countries have a lower infant mortality rate than the USA.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/infant-mortality-rate-by-country
Although there are some differences in the time frames included, this is very concerning.
Understated!
But did they believe that that measles vaccination(s) gave enduring immunity? Even in 1986 when all the students at my university supposedly had received at least one measles vaccination, the whole student body was queued up for measles vaccinations when a case was reported to "have been on campus." Even those who could prove they received a measles vaccination were required to receive another vaccination.
As a mother of four who followed the 1990s vaccination schedule, I am severely disillusioned with the vaccine industry and the pediatricians who didn't push back against it.
We need more robust and repeatable research and policy makers who aren't intimidated by the fear porn of collectivists.
There is an unhealthy mindset behind the whole vaccine complex. That mindset is a God complex where our “betters” have determined what is in the best interest of we plebeians. The COVID debacle opened my eyes. I will have NO MORE vaccinations. I will risk the disease before I risk the vaccine. My life. My choices. My risk/benefit analysis.
When I worked in Employee Health within a large hospital system, some of the young adults vaccinated with 2 doses of MMR had sub therapeutic titers. We then had to administer a MMR booster and repeat their titers. Unknown if they would have been susceptible to measles if exposed.
This is exactly how I got dose #4 (long story) after age 50. So not being immunocompromised or someone who desperately wants to live forever I think I am done with this without more information. I do suspect that will not happen and despite the cost a 3rd (or 2nd) dose will just be added around age 50 or so to the schedule/checklist.