I had the flu, once, in 1968, when there was a world-wide outbreak. I still wonder if it would have been as bad had I not been pregnant, but I was very, very sick. Since then, I've encountered flu many times and have never contracted it again. I've never been vaccinated against it.
My mother had influenza once and never again until my brother decided she needed annual flu shots. She was then in her late 80's and every year ended up sick within a month.
We have an exceptional immune system, complex and beautiful, and all this vaccine research seems to ignore our innate systems, supposedly to improve on what has kept the human race going for millennia. I guess I just don't understand why so many people think they are fixing God's mistakes.
I have never had the flu, & I have never got a flu shot. I always felt if “it ain’t broke, no need to fix it”. I also believe I must have a great immune system, & am so thankful to God I followed my own “gut instincts” not to get any flu shots. I believe some of this message to people is primarily science, but as you mentioned, “all this vaccine research seems to ignore our innate systems”…Amen! Thank you Joy…:)
That would have been the 1968-69 Hong Kong influenza epidemic. First "gift" from my future wife in college. Her second was infectious mononucleosis a week later.
This tells me the emphasis on us wrinklies being jabbed every year is not such a hot idea....something many if not most of us have figured out empirically.
I can tell you for sure that the only needle coming near THIS wrinkly will be to draw blood for testing. Over the last few years, I've become virulently anti-vax, whereas prior to COVID, my approach was much more casual. The way I see it, something's gonna get me eventually, and if it's a natural virus, I'll much prefer it to some mystery concoction developed by a pharmaceutical corporation.
I am a recent arrival to the wrinklies and have never had a flu shot. And from the information gleaned from our good doctor’s article, it’s a good thing.
Still trying not to be shocked - yet again - at new revelations such as this.
Our bodies are so intelligent, quick to react, yet they operate on a memory of the last influenza strain? That makes no sense to this common citizen. I will need to study this post further.
Dr. Malone? Have you just negated the whole concept of injecting foreign materiel to activate the immune system, both flu strains as well as RNA injections that reprogram cellular function that interfere with the blue print of life? Are we back to square one? Embracing the concept that a whole and vibrant immune system is the number one defense against all pathogens? The basic challenge has always been that we need to avoid ingesting toxins that degrade the immune system. Our food system is overburdened with chemicals. The other side of the coin is not to be nutrient deficient to maintain immune system viability. Includes boosting Vit D. The allopathic medicine model runs on chemicals to treat symptoms of disease states. Are you challenging this concept? I am with you if you are.
PS: In 2007 mandated flu shot gave me the flu and it was dispatched in 6 hours with 2 Vit C, 2 Aspirin and 2 NAC. Stimulated an immune system response. In 2018, when 160 million Americans accepted a flu shot and the reported deaths were higher than normal (about double) clearly indicates flu shots don't work.
For years my wife and I have simply taken a couple of the Effervescent tablets called Airborne whenever we FIRST feel a symptom resembling pathogen expect exposure.
Usually, not on it more than a day or so and back on the treadmill.
Airborne is mainly a huge dose of Vit C and other vitamins with a fair amount of sugar!
We think alike. Only thing I don't like about Airborne is the added sugar. I also use a liposomal Vit C. Slug that down almost every morning starting in late Fall to early Spring.
Yep, we have actually found another that has less sugar. I have used the liposomal too, but incapable of maintaining the required habit of daily usage.
“Recognizing this flaw does not negate the value of immunization; it calls for reform” — since we know about the fallacies of the pandemic, ie; how we could increase false positives with PCR tests and also inflating the deaths due to other causes like ventilators and new practitioners (link referenced below), if we take influenza at face value, how deadly is it?
And do we require immunization, or would it be best to allow the body to address it and move on?
Immunization doesn’t seem to be beneficial, so curious if we shouldn’t scrap it altogether.
Are you confusing vaccination and immunization? Vaccination is an artificial stimulus that usually bypasses the body's natural defenses (e.g. mucous membranes) and measures antibodies as "proof" of immunization. There's a certain number of people who will never show an antibody response to a vaccination.
Immunization is the body's response to a pathogen which mounts a defense and includes both cellular response and antibody response. I often wonder if vaccination confers cellular response, but I rather doubt it since natural immunity lasts a lifetime, while vaccination immunity wanes, sometimes preciptitously.
I was wondering if anyone pointed this out. One of the errors of vaccines is the focus on antibodies. Immune systems are multi-layered wonders and antibodies are late actors in the response line up. Many illnesses are driven out long before the antibodies even wake up.
I'd also like to point out that an occasional severe infectious attack has its uses. A good hot fever, a couple of days of bed rest and a light diet can actually make us healthier for the long run.
Thanks for this comment as my comment was written about immunization from vaccination, so my context was vaccination when I was referring to immunization.
I didn’t include natural immunization because I see that as immunity but yes, that was my original intention
My daughter is a medical student whose program basically threatened her with not being able to complete various rotations unless she received the flu shot. It is unconscionable in my opinion that she had no choice. I am thinking of taking this to court, as there is already a law in Alberta that forced vaccination is illegal.
No ghosts here, but both my husband and I got the flu. One day in bed with a nasty headache, the next day up a little and the usual morphing, nothing terrible. I immediately took homeopathy for cold and the flu. They say it can shorten the severity and length. Taking tea, Breathe Easy and Herbal Cold Care (Traditional Medicinals). For people who are in their late seventies like us, the fear promoted about any and all illnesses is relentless. Why does it seem that the ones reading about the dangers of these pharma drugs are the ones Not taking them, and the ones who Should be reading these papers, aren't. Another backwards house of mirrors.
I can't really remember the last time I had the flu, or even a bad cold. I had a flu shot here and there in the distant past, but never regularly and I don't remember the last one, maybe over 10 years ago. I learned about the povodone iodine nasal spray at the beginning of covid (from FLCCC) and make my own. Any time my husband or I have felt the slightest tickle in the throat or something in the nose, we use the spray right away and virtually every single time whatever we felt was totally gone the next day and we never got sick. We've been doing this for 5 years now, and given our admittedly anecdotal great results, I feel convinced it works. We take vitamins of various types and eat very healthy, but we're convinced the povodone spray zaps occasional viral invaders. It also made sense that the first place airborne viruses landed was in the nasal passages and that if you act quickly enough, you can eliminate them. I bought a $6 bottle of povodone iodine and some glass spray bottles, so it's cheap to make yourself.
As I have said before. The last 3 years my husband and I got a flu shot we came down with a terrible case of the flu. Now we haven’t had flu shots for years and have not had the flu
As I understand it we are hearing that our immune system may not respond to the best epitope offered by flu viruses. So antigenic drift of this (these?) epitope results in poor response. So find an epitope common to all,strains and highly conserved so no drift seen and use to make a universal flu jab. But does such an epitope actually exist?
This is such an important part of the vaccine equation, particularly in the context of being told to get annual flu shots. Is this immune-imprinting/pathogenic priming what the late Dr. Zelenko referred to as "VAIDS"?
"Recognizing this flaw does not negate the value of immunization; it calls for reform. "
Hmmm.
Captain I'm just an engineer but the pulse drives were never meant for regenerative Warp drive!
How about behavioural conditioning only on a cellular basis?
Theory: Consistent yearly conditioning of the immune watchdogs could be training it to salivate for more JUST like those last ones -- like them thar' dogs back in the 50's!
There used to be a billion cases per year of the common cold. I think that dropped to near zero when PCR testing for covid began and about 30 million regular flu cases vanishesd too.
If you infect a hundred test rats with a flu and 24-7 scare the shit out of half of them, watch the death rate compared to the other half that have quiet peace of mind, good rest and care.
Because of the effects of high stress on the immune system, I do believe that thousands and thousands of people were literally "scared to death" by the manufacturing and advertising industry.
I had the flu, once, in 1968, when there was a world-wide outbreak. I still wonder if it would have been as bad had I not been pregnant, but I was very, very sick. Since then, I've encountered flu many times and have never contracted it again. I've never been vaccinated against it.
My mother had influenza once and never again until my brother decided she needed annual flu shots. She was then in her late 80's and every year ended up sick within a month.
We have an exceptional immune system, complex and beautiful, and all this vaccine research seems to ignore our innate systems, supposedly to improve on what has kept the human race going for millennia. I guess I just don't understand why so many people think they are fixing God's mistakes.
Well said and I back your belief in our innate, God-given, and infinitely complex immune system one hundred percent.
YOU are correct Joy.
I have never had the flu, & I have never got a flu shot. I always felt if “it ain’t broke, no need to fix it”. I also believe I must have a great immune system, & am so thankful to God I followed my own “gut instincts” not to get any flu shots. I believe some of this message to people is primarily science, but as you mentioned, “all this vaccine research seems to ignore our innate systems”…Amen! Thank you Joy…:)
It's always the hype. The marketing status of fear of sickness and dying that aging does.
Aging is a test. Tv ads are triggers in perpetual motion to the brain of those that watch.
Turn off the unreality of a BS profit based machinery and exercise with care the body.
The mind will follow and the brain reward you with an enlightened happiness.
That would have been the 1968-69 Hong Kong influenza epidemic. First "gift" from my future wife in college. Her second was infectious mononucleosis a week later.
This tells me the emphasis on us wrinklies being jabbed every year is not such a hot idea....something many if not most of us have figured out empirically.
I can tell you for sure that the only needle coming near THIS wrinkly will be to draw blood for testing. Over the last few years, I've become virulently anti-vax, whereas prior to COVID, my approach was much more casual. The way I see it, something's gonna get me eventually, and if it's a natural virus, I'll much prefer it to some mystery concoction developed by a pharmaceutical corporation.
and, if you believe it to actually be a "virus"(if they actually are real?) you NOW know what to do to treat it whereas 5 yrs ago you did not.
Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, SNOOT, Xlear, vitamins C, D, K, NAC, and on and on.
NONE of those was I aware had much efficacy(well vit C maybe) five yrs ago.
NOW I have quite a med cabinet.
NOW I KNOW not to trust almost ANY MD.
NOW I feel like I am prepared as, having been a BOY Scout, I had that as my motto.
I am a recent arrival to the wrinklies and have never had a flu shot. And from the information gleaned from our good doctor’s article, it’s a good thing.
Still trying not to be shocked - yet again - at new revelations such as this.
Our bodies are so intelligent, quick to react, yet they operate on a memory of the last influenza strain? That makes no sense to this common citizen. I will need to study this post further.
not the LAST flu strain, I believe the article points to the original(child) flu strains. . .
thank you!
Aging is a test.
Growing happily older your hurdle and task daily, to insure personal longer shelf life.
Dr. Malone? Have you just negated the whole concept of injecting foreign materiel to activate the immune system, both flu strains as well as RNA injections that reprogram cellular function that interfere with the blue print of life? Are we back to square one? Embracing the concept that a whole and vibrant immune system is the number one defense against all pathogens? The basic challenge has always been that we need to avoid ingesting toxins that degrade the immune system. Our food system is overburdened with chemicals. The other side of the coin is not to be nutrient deficient to maintain immune system viability. Includes boosting Vit D. The allopathic medicine model runs on chemicals to treat symptoms of disease states. Are you challenging this concept? I am with you if you are.
PS: In 2007 mandated flu shot gave me the flu and it was dispatched in 6 hours with 2 Vit C, 2 Aspirin and 2 NAC. Stimulated an immune system response. In 2018, when 160 million Americans accepted a flu shot and the reported deaths were higher than normal (about double) clearly indicates flu shots don't work.
Interesting Thomas.
For years my wife and I have simply taken a couple of the Effervescent tablets called Airborne whenever we FIRST feel a symptom resembling pathogen expect exposure.
Usually, not on it more than a day or so and back on the treadmill.
Airborne is mainly a huge dose of Vit C and other vitamins with a fair amount of sugar!
We think alike. Only thing I don't like about Airborne is the added sugar. I also use a liposomal Vit C. Slug that down almost every morning starting in late Fall to early Spring.
Yep, we have actually found another that has less sugar. I have used the liposomal too, but incapable of maintaining the required habit of daily usage.
On CDC website stats 2018 was worst year on record for flu sickness and death.
That was before and Wuhan strains or the words Wuhan Lab Leaks of 2019.
How and when did our medical establishment become so dumb and deluded? Oh -when they started practicing politics instead of medicine.
“Recognizing this flaw does not negate the value of immunization; it calls for reform” — since we know about the fallacies of the pandemic, ie; how we could increase false positives with PCR tests and also inflating the deaths due to other causes like ventilators and new practitioners (link referenced below), if we take influenza at face value, how deadly is it?
And do we require immunization, or would it be best to allow the body to address it and move on?
Immunization doesn’t seem to be beneficial, so curious if we shouldn’t scrap it altogether.
Here’s the archived piece on the Covid protocols:
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-covid-19-protocols-killed-millions
Are you confusing vaccination and immunization? Vaccination is an artificial stimulus that usually bypasses the body's natural defenses (e.g. mucous membranes) and measures antibodies as "proof" of immunization. There's a certain number of people who will never show an antibody response to a vaccination.
Immunization is the body's response to a pathogen which mounts a defense and includes both cellular response and antibody response. I often wonder if vaccination confers cellular response, but I rather doubt it since natural immunity lasts a lifetime, while vaccination immunity wanes, sometimes preciptitously.
I was wondering if anyone pointed this out. One of the errors of vaccines is the focus on antibodies. Immune systems are multi-layered wonders and antibodies are late actors in the response line up. Many illnesses are driven out long before the antibodies even wake up.
I'd also like to point out that an occasional severe infectious attack has its uses. A good hot fever, a couple of days of bed rest and a light diet can actually make us healthier for the long run.
Thanks for this comment as my comment was written about immunization from vaccination, so my context was vaccination when I was referring to immunization.
I didn’t include natural immunization because I see that as immunity but yes, that was my original intention
My daughter is a medical student whose program basically threatened her with not being able to complete various rotations unless she received the flu shot. It is unconscionable in my opinion that she had no choice. I am thinking of taking this to court, as there is already a law in Alberta that forced vaccination is illegal.
No ghosts here, but both my husband and I got the flu. One day in bed with a nasty headache, the next day up a little and the usual morphing, nothing terrible. I immediately took homeopathy for cold and the flu. They say it can shorten the severity and length. Taking tea, Breathe Easy and Herbal Cold Care (Traditional Medicinals). For people who are in their late seventies like us, the fear promoted about any and all illnesses is relentless. Why does it seem that the ones reading about the dangers of these pharma drugs are the ones Not taking them, and the ones who Should be reading these papers, aren't. Another backwards house of mirrors.
I can't really remember the last time I had the flu, or even a bad cold. I had a flu shot here and there in the distant past, but never regularly and I don't remember the last one, maybe over 10 years ago. I learned about the povodone iodine nasal spray at the beginning of covid (from FLCCC) and make my own. Any time my husband or I have felt the slightest tickle in the throat or something in the nose, we use the spray right away and virtually every single time whatever we felt was totally gone the next day and we never got sick. We've been doing this for 5 years now, and given our admittedly anecdotal great results, I feel convinced it works. We take vitamins of various types and eat very healthy, but we're convinced the povodone spray zaps occasional viral invaders. It also made sense that the first place airborne viruses landed was in the nasal passages and that if you act quickly enough, you can eliminate them. I bought a $6 bottle of povodone iodine and some glass spray bottles, so it's cheap to make yourself.
So there was more wisdom in the old chicken pox parties than today's professionals are willing to acknowledge.
As I have said before. The last 3 years my husband and I got a flu shot we came down with a terrible case of the flu. Now we haven’t had flu shots for years and have not had the flu
Ok here is something someone sent me. And I ask is this real or are they insane?
https://ggtvstreams.substack.com/p/vaxellis-another-dangerous-child
scary!
They're insane. As the article's included meme states: The more you know, the more you NO.
So, I understand the concept. But, it would seem that the immune system would have some mechanism that decides between:
(1) this is the same old or a very similar pathogen that gets the same response or
(2) this is something new, time to build a better response.
Do we have any idea how this ‘decision’ is made by the immune system?
As I understand it we are hearing that our immune system may not respond to the best epitope offered by flu viruses. So antigenic drift of this (these?) epitope results in poor response. So find an epitope common to all,strains and highly conserved so no drift seen and use to make a universal flu jab. But does such an epitope actually exist?
AAAaaaah, now THERE is the question.
Consider the infinite complexity involved here and there is only one answer.
This is such an important part of the vaccine equation, particularly in the context of being told to get annual flu shots. Is this immune-imprinting/pathogenic priming what the late Dr. Zelenko referred to as "VAIDS"?
"Recognizing this flaw does not negate the value of immunization; it calls for reform. "
Hmmm.
Captain I'm just an engineer but the pulse drives were never meant for regenerative Warp drive!
How about behavioural conditioning only on a cellular basis?
Theory: Consistent yearly conditioning of the immune watchdogs could be training it to salivate for more JUST like those last ones -- like them thar' dogs back in the 50's!
Like I said, just an engineer.
There used to be a billion cases per year of the common cold. I think that dropped to near zero when PCR testing for covid began and about 30 million regular flu cases vanishesd too.
If you infect a hundred test rats with a flu and 24-7 scare the shit out of half of them, watch the death rate compared to the other half that have quiet peace of mind, good rest and care.
Because of the effects of high stress on the immune system, I do believe that thousands and thousands of people were literally "scared to death" by the manufacturing and advertising industry.
Who knew there's an actual "Original Sin"? Wow. Thanks for the information.