Thank you both for this information, as unappetizing as it is! This is one more very good reason to grow at least some of your own salad. Lettuce, spinach, and other greens grow happily in a single big tub on a patio, and you know exactly what touched them. Here in Oregon's Willamette Valley, a tub near the back door can keep us in salads for months. I have a free Grow a Salad Garden idea and other small-space layouts here: https://www.vegetable-gardening-online.com/vegetable-garden-layout-ideas.html
While reading of this unappetizing series of incidents I appreciate the tongue- in- cheek humor. Inspector Clouseau must be working overtime for the FDA! I have to remember to use the Curativa Bay food spray more often, altho I get most of the vegetables grown locally from my co-op. I had food poisoning in Egypt, even tho I was careful...
Reminds me of a watermelon we bought at a roadside stand in the Austin ETJ some 50 years ago. Cut it open and the smell of sewage permeated the room. Don't know what it tasted like.
Best reason to grow your own or buy from small local farmers who feed their families from their fields.
Peppers are beautiful plants to grow also and don’t think up a lot of room. They don’t seem to be as susceptible to infestations of insects or organisms than other edible plants. I don’t even think that I’ve seen the deer eating them.
The white mouse is pretty suspicious. Did the peppers end up in a laboratory along the way? Why? Head scratch.
Maybe it is time for NIH to have all FDA employees vetted for intelligence and their ability to understand the true biology of humans. The basic issue is: I do not believe their inspection arm has enough employees to protect American citizens from harm. Certainly true in not inspecting pharmaceutical plants on a timely basis. No courtesy calls that give a manufacturer or grower a heads up is in order.
This “courtesy call” is a problem in other government inspections also. In the hospital we were always notified a few weeks in advance of an accreditation inspection. We weren’t given the day but that it would be within a certain week. Then all the extra equipment and stretchers that clogged up the halls would be shoved into a room Any other possible discrepancies were cleaned up and we were given replies to give if they picked you to interview. I have worked in 6 hospitals and a number of surgery centers and they are all like this.
Sometimes the accrediting bodies recommendations hindered care. I remember thinking that none of these people have worked in a tertiary care facility or they wouldn’t make us jump through all these hoops to provide patient care.
Even more confusing was that different inspectors seemed to focus on different areas. I was a travel RN and worked in 2 different facilities in 1 year and they were both inspected 1 was up in arms about getting a certain protocol done and I stated that I had just come from x hospital and we didn’t do that but they had been dinged/gotten a red checkmark for it on their last inspection. Seemed random and arbitrary.
"Was this actually a wild mouse that somehow found its way into a jar of peppers during food production, or was this a domesticated white mouse introduced somewhere along the way?"
When the only type of mouse one has ever seen is a white pet store mouse, one assumes all mice look like that, and that's the only type of mouse one knows how to obtain..
And I'm glad you included a poop Venn diagram. Now maybe cackles can help us solve this "mystery."
Also for many reasons I sent a blurb to the Tex. A G suggesting that Austin honchos quit taking health cues from lobbyists which I suspect was the prompt for the AG to impose a,ban of grocers spraying produce with a hypochlorous acid solution.
I have two small hydroponic systems I purchased on Amazon that grow lettuce and herbs though I have not had much success with spinach. But hydroponic growing is ideal for an apartment or small home with little or no outdoor space.
I fail with Spinach too - although I have gotten it to sprout and then transplant.
Basil does great in those systems too - a herb, technically, but we use it more like a green.
Tomatoes- Tom Thumb is the variety. Complete fail. Don't bother. Huge amounts of green, three little nasty-tasting micro-tomatoes. Such a huge disappointment, I could write a comedy show around it. BTW - it took about two or three months to get those 3 micro toms.
Back in '60 I spent 1/2 yr in N. Mex. as a public health bacteriologist prior to the Nam draft inducing my joining the USAF. One task we had was instructing food handlers on basic hygiene. I doubt our woke environment today allows that and coupled with observation of foreign employees at a major med inst in the Texas Med. Center leaving restrooms,with unflushed toilets and unwashed hands I suspect eating food handled by others carries a degree of risk.
I think we are on the same wavelength. Yes it is a problem, definitely with lettuce and cantaloupe, I didn't know about the jalapenos. I recently bought a sack from the farmers market and let it go bad. I don't eat lettuce, but my family eats the bagged kind (yecch) so I bought a raised bed for growing salad greens and arugula or spinach for them. I just, in the last few days, put it outside.
RE: The peperoncini, I recognized the pattern right away but maybe because I have been dealing with a single rat problem in my house, mainly kitchen for the past 3 weeks. Long story, but Hercule didn't set the right traps or bait, so they finally sent the Terminator yesterday, and this morning I was able to call the Undertaker who carried him off. I said, "do not show me, but how big is it?" He instantly swung it towards me, I looked before I could close my eyes. Grey is all I will say. Thank you for this post, will be buying a couple of Curative Bay items in the next few days, and will include the food spray mist.
"And sometimes, when you find a human fecal parasite in the wastewater and in the drainage ditch next to the lettuce, perhaps it is time to stop scratching your head about where the shit came from."
Sort of like a virus emerging in a city with a known gain of function research lab and scratching our heads about the origin and listening to our "elites" lecture us about Sinophobia and wet markets?
I'm generally not a worrier, though i do keep a few topics in reserve for the times I might need them.
Now I can add "white mice in jalapenos" to the list which includes AI apocalypse, WWIII already having begun, government and/functional denial of our daily freedoms, financial disaster due to too much debt, failing schools (K- grad school), the surveillance state that ensnarles us, no real choice in elections, too many monopiles (legally or in practice), the attempted deconstruction of western norms, regulatory capture and neutering of our "watchdog" agencies, social media contagion, distorted immigration norms, ecosystem vulnerability and the decline of civility.
If i missed an important one, please add it to the list.
Thank you for this engaging review of the recent issues with lettece and pepper contaminents. When I saw the news of the FDA report, it did bring to mind investigator Clueso (sp ?).
White mouse indeed. To me that seems to smack of sabotage. The reported mishap does seem lend itself to a focused surveillance of bottled products before purchase and again before use.
As for the lettuce. Personally, with my avoid greens issue, don't do lettece any more, but do venture into other greens on a limited basis. Your tip on your Curativa Bay product is relavant and timely. Thank you!
Thanks for your X sharing of your recent interviews. Much appreciated.
Thank you both for this information, as unappetizing as it is! This is one more very good reason to grow at least some of your own salad. Lettuce, spinach, and other greens grow happily in a single big tub on a patio, and you know exactly what touched them. Here in Oregon's Willamette Valley, a tub near the back door can keep us in salads for months. I have a free Grow a Salad Garden idea and other small-space layouts here: https://www.vegetable-gardening-online.com/vegetable-garden-layout-ideas.html
thank you for the link! I will go over in more detail later.
Thank you, MrsMc! Hope you enjoy. Let me know what you think.
Define your terms carefully:
Salads are made from plants.
Corn is a plant.
Whiskey is made from corn.
Therefore, whiskey is a salad.
Q.E.D. 😇🥃😁
Just like they said in the song "Rocky Top."
And therefore, safe to consume!
While reading of this unappetizing series of incidents I appreciate the tongue- in- cheek humor. Inspector Clouseau must be working overtime for the FDA! I have to remember to use the Curativa Bay food spray more often, altho I get most of the vegetables grown locally from my co-op. I had food poisoning in Egypt, even tho I was careful...
in the 70's I got food poisoning too-- in Mexico during a 4 hr stint to Tijuana.
what is this and where do you get it? I have local groceries food and veg spray, hope they are useful!!!!
I even spray melons outside before cutting into them. What else do we need to know?
Curativa Bay; is endorsed by Drs. Malone. Very different from regular food spray.
Reminds me of a watermelon we bought at a roadside stand in the Austin ETJ some 50 years ago. Cut it open and the smell of sewage permeated the room. Don't know what it tasted like.
Pattern recognition? Of all your outstanding talents and a comedian to boot. LOL
Best reason to grow your own or buy from small local farmers who feed their families from their fields.
Peppers are beautiful plants to grow also and don’t think up a lot of room. They don’t seem to be as susceptible to infestations of insects or organisms than other edible plants. I don’t even think that I’ve seen the deer eating them.
The white mouse is pretty suspicious. Did the peppers end up in a laboratory along the way? Why? Head scratch.
Maybe it is time for NIH to have all FDA employees vetted for intelligence and their ability to understand the true biology of humans. The basic issue is: I do not believe their inspection arm has enough employees to protect American citizens from harm. Certainly true in not inspecting pharmaceutical plants on a timely basis. No courtesy calls that give a manufacturer or grower a heads up is in order.
This “courtesy call” is a problem in other government inspections also. In the hospital we were always notified a few weeks in advance of an accreditation inspection. We weren’t given the day but that it would be within a certain week. Then all the extra equipment and stretchers that clogged up the halls would be shoved into a room Any other possible discrepancies were cleaned up and we were given replies to give if they picked you to interview. I have worked in 6 hospitals and a number of surgery centers and they are all like this.
Sometimes the accrediting bodies recommendations hindered care. I remember thinking that none of these people have worked in a tertiary care facility or they wouldn’t make us jump through all these hoops to provide patient care.
Even more confusing was that different inspectors seemed to focus on different areas. I was a travel RN and worked in 2 different facilities in 1 year and they were both inspected 1 was up in arms about getting a certain protocol done and I stated that I had just come from x hospital and we didn’t do that but they had been dinged/gotten a red checkmark for it on their last inspection. Seemed random and arbitrary.
"Was this actually a wild mouse that somehow found its way into a jar of peppers during food production, or was this a domesticated white mouse introduced somewhere along the way?"
When the only type of mouse one has ever seen is a white pet store mouse, one assumes all mice look like that, and that's the only type of mouse one knows how to obtain..
And I'm glad you included a poop Venn diagram. Now maybe cackles can help us solve this "mystery."
Could have been an albino? What are the odds? 🤔
Talk about news you can use!!
Also for many reasons I sent a blurb to the Tex. A G suggesting that Austin honchos quit taking health cues from lobbyists which I suspect was the prompt for the AG to impose a,ban of grocers spraying produce with a hypochlorous acid solution.
Yeah, I am waiting to write that essay until after the Texas Election Day. Cause I really do want Paxton to win. But it is coming...
Dr. Malone, You addressed the hypochlorous acid issue very well during your aminated debate with Del Bigtree on The Highwire https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/del-malone-debate-kennedy-the-mrna-ultimatum/
(We want Paxton to win too, but we’d be just as happy — maybe happier — if he remained as TX AG.)
I have two small hydroponic systems I purchased on Amazon that grow lettuce and herbs though I have not had much success with spinach. But hydroponic growing is ideal for an apartment or small home with little or no outdoor space.
I fail with Spinach too - although I have gotten it to sprout and then transplant.
Basil does great in those systems too - a herb, technically, but we use it more like a green.
Tomatoes- Tom Thumb is the variety. Complete fail. Don't bother. Huge amounts of green, three little nasty-tasting micro-tomatoes. Such a huge disappointment, I could write a comedy show around it. BTW - it took about two or three months to get those 3 micro toms.
But starting tomatoes in them works great!
Why is spinach so "hard"? Ours did almost nothing. . . Minnesota though, too cold?!
in dirt not hydroponic. . .
Back in '60 I spent 1/2 yr in N. Mex. as a public health bacteriologist prior to the Nam draft inducing my joining the USAF. One task we had was instructing food handlers on basic hygiene. I doubt our woke environment today allows that and coupled with observation of foreign employees at a major med inst in the Texas Med. Center leaving restrooms,with unflushed toilets and unwashed hands I suspect eating food handled by others carries a degree of risk.
man Michael, you must be as old as the hills, man! 1960 . . . I was only nine then!
I think we are on the same wavelength. Yes it is a problem, definitely with lettuce and cantaloupe, I didn't know about the jalapenos. I recently bought a sack from the farmers market and let it go bad. I don't eat lettuce, but my family eats the bagged kind (yecch) so I bought a raised bed for growing salad greens and arugula or spinach for them. I just, in the last few days, put it outside.
RE: The peperoncini, I recognized the pattern right away but maybe because I have been dealing with a single rat problem in my house, mainly kitchen for the past 3 weeks. Long story, but Hercule didn't set the right traps or bait, so they finally sent the Terminator yesterday, and this morning I was able to call the Undertaker who carried him off. I said, "do not show me, but how big is it?" He instantly swung it towards me, I looked before I could close my eyes. Grey is all I will say. Thank you for this post, will be buying a couple of Curative Bay items in the next few days, and will include the food spray mist.
Do you have any special recommendations for growing spinach? Wife is having a hard time getting it to produce(in dirt).
"And sometimes, when you find a human fecal parasite in the wastewater and in the drainage ditch next to the lettuce, perhaps it is time to stop scratching your head about where the shit came from."
Sort of like a virus emerging in a city with a known gain of function research lab and scratching our heads about the origin and listening to our "elites" lecture us about Sinophobia and wet markets?
I'm generally not a worrier, though i do keep a few topics in reserve for the times I might need them.
Now I can add "white mice in jalapenos" to the list which includes AI apocalypse, WWIII already having begun, government and/functional denial of our daily freedoms, financial disaster due to too much debt, failing schools (K- grad school), the surveillance state that ensnarles us, no real choice in elections, too many monopiles (legally or in practice), the attempted deconstruction of western norms, regulatory capture and neutering of our "watchdog" agencies, social media contagion, distorted immigration norms, ecosystem vulnerability and the decline of civility.
If i missed an important one, please add it to the list.
Thank you for this engaging review of the recent issues with lettece and pepper contaminents. When I saw the news of the FDA report, it did bring to mind investigator Clueso (sp ?).
White mouse indeed. To me that seems to smack of sabotage. The reported mishap does seem lend itself to a focused surveillance of bottled products before purchase and again before use.
As for the lettuce. Personally, with my avoid greens issue, don't do lettece any more, but do venture into other greens on a limited basis. Your tip on your Curativa Bay product is relavant and timely. Thank you!
Thanks for your X sharing of your recent interviews. Much appreciated.
Have good ones!