I read the book "The Germ in the Dairy Pail" which explains this whole scenario. It's unreal how afraid people are. I tried to give away some of our raw milk (7 gallons a day from one Jersey cow!) and people freaked out, telling me I was trying to send people to the ER and that it was illegal. In the meantime, I'm making cheese and yogurt as fast as I can. It's the best thing we've ever eaten!
Really One Jersey cow ? what are you feeding that Jersey, I'm not in the know really, but my grand father milked 13 and I don't think they got any where near that daily? oH I forgot twice a day morning and evening !
Cows now are bred to produce ridiculous amounts of milk. We share with six people who help milk and we are still all drowning in milk. Some days it's only five gallons and frankly, we are thankful!
I live among a large Amish community from whom I have learned a lot. I’ve known them for 40 years. They all drink raw milk straight from their cows. They are farmers. Their barns are typical which is to say not spick and span. There is plenty of hay and cow manure and lots of flies. I have never heard of a single case of cow born disease among them. So, I get my raw milk from my neighbors who need me to buy an annual cow share so we don’t run foul of the FDA. I think there are lots of reasons for the robust health of their babies and children. But I suspect that one of them is raw milk with its mighty micro flora that pampers the gut with its many beneficial microbes.
Interesting. In a microbiology class was told about a place that made sausages. For some reason had a microbiologist do a run through, declared they were a hazard and had then clean the place. The flavor of the "clean" sausage was awful so they fired the expert and hoped the smoking sheds could return to their natural state. Understand the same holds true for true stilton cheese in England. There was hilarious show from there about a chef trying to get some real stilton for a dish to enter in an international competition.
Nobody here tests but they know their cows intimately and if one had a cough the vet would immediately be called. That’s the first sign of TB. All the cows free range all day. They get spring water to drink. They get nongmo grain treat once a day. Mineral blocks are always available and they get milked twice a day and overnight (a few live totally in pasture) in the barn. The milk man or maid goes twice a day with warm water and clean towel to clean the teats. There are a few ornery cows but most make me wish someone would pay that much attention to me twice a day.
Shocker that NY is the state where corruption caused a situation where most of us here in the NE cannot get raw milk as it’s deemed illegal. I cannot wait to get the hell outta here!
Daughter was researching best immune benefiting foods for my grand-daughter who went type-1 at 12 and is now 17 ! "RAW MILK" one of the BEST That's why we go to the farm co-op every other week for raw milk, fresh open rage eggs, and cream and 1/4 beef when able ! My daughter even helped milk the cows, to learn about the dairy cows ! OK now tell us all the benefits of raw Milk !
Fascinating and revolting history. Thanks for educating us
I had brucellosis in 1982 and not from drinking raw milk but from exposure working in a USDA NVSL lab because of idiot coworkers. It took a long time to diagnose and even longer to treat.
Growing up, I milked the cow, poured it through cheesecloth, and put in the refrigerator. Drank it, cooked with it (makes better biscuits) until gone. Still alive.
With apparent thyroid issues, my attending MD offered 'NO MILK, reducing calcium', as an alternative. I did see a clip damning current practices for pasturization of milk. So had I the option of including milk in my diet, neither option seems to receive popular support.
I really appreciate the information you've provided here! When will we ever learn. We have the public health stats of improvements from effective sanitation practices. We have puppy illnesses from puppy mill practices. We have regular CDC recalls of contaminated products. A veritable multitude of examples of sloth and bad practices impacting our health.
Do we need incentives for sanitary production, processing and distribution? Recognition for responsible healthy practices? Dissemination of details on best practices?
In the meantime, thank you for your coverage and support for valuable products, responsible producers.
Here's a Grok dialog on this article and your companion "Well Being: The Truth About Raw Milk" article. After some coaxing, Grok finally says:
"Bottom line: The "hidden" burden of mild/repeated/low-level atopic disease is enormous in aggregate—driving most costs, absences, and QoL hits. Observational data suggest unprocessed milk could meaningfully shrink this via prevention, especially in kids. This supports Malone’s call for better risk-benefit quantification tailored to sourcing quality and demographics, beyond just severe infection counts. Individual families (especially allergy-prone) weigh this against practical sourcing realities."
This article reminded me of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle," which I've written about here before; a fictional story in which early 20th century Chicago meat packing plants figure prominently. As I think about it, I wonder how many people became vegetarians after reading the book. Horrible conditions.
Yep, a great book James. I read that back in the 60's and was just amazed. I will never forget the parts about all the filth(including humans) solvated into
"Durham's Pure Leaf Lard"!! What a great ironic trademark name for it.
Another example of a Band-Aid approach to fixing a problem. It is my understanding that outdated milk is returned to the milk processor and they re-pasteurize the outdated milk and recycle it. They also use the out dated milk to produce cheese and etc. Nothing is wasted. Nutritional value is not the main goal.
What the heck is the matter with people who will sell their soul for a few shillings? I listened to Jan Jekielek with Jacob Siegel today, and the stakes keep getting higher. This question of whether to take a higher road versus fraud in so many forms is ancient and never-ending it seems. It is just cycling in circles.The saying "Buyer Beware" isn't going away anytime soon. (and I'm not talking raw milk)
I read the book "The Germ in the Dairy Pail" which explains this whole scenario. It's unreal how afraid people are. I tried to give away some of our raw milk (7 gallons a day from one Jersey cow!) and people freaked out, telling me I was trying to send people to the ER and that it was illegal. In the meantime, I'm making cheese and yogurt as fast as I can. It's the best thing we've ever eaten!
You have to overcome decades of indoctrination of the public.
Really One Jersey cow ? what are you feeding that Jersey, I'm not in the know really, but my grand father milked 13 and I don't think they got any where near that daily? oH I forgot twice a day morning and evening !
Cows now are bred to produce ridiculous amounts of milk. We share with six people who help milk and we are still all drowning in milk. Some days it's only five gallons and frankly, we are thankful!
I live in Minnesota . . . can I have some, will help milk?!
Ha, Ha!
I live among a large Amish community from whom I have learned a lot. I’ve known them for 40 years. They all drink raw milk straight from their cows. They are farmers. Their barns are typical which is to say not spick and span. There is plenty of hay and cow manure and lots of flies. I have never heard of a single case of cow born disease among them. So, I get my raw milk from my neighbors who need me to buy an annual cow share so we don’t run foul of the FDA. I think there are lots of reasons for the robust health of their babies and children. But I suspect that one of them is raw milk with its mighty micro flora that pampers the gut with its many beneficial microbes.
and "NO" vaccines
Interesting. In a microbiology class was told about a place that made sausages. For some reason had a microbiologist do a run through, declared they were a hazard and had then clean the place. The flavor of the "clean" sausage was awful so they fired the expert and hoped the smoking sheds could return to their natural state. Understand the same holds true for true stilton cheese in England. There was hilarious show from there about a chef trying to get some real stilton for a dish to enter in an international competition.
So, just curious, do they test for TB? etc?
Guessing you don't know. We have started buying raw milk too and have not asked. . .
Nobody here tests but they know their cows intimately and if one had a cough the vet would immediately be called. That’s the first sign of TB. All the cows free range all day. They get spring water to drink. They get nongmo grain treat once a day. Mineral blocks are always available and they get milked twice a day and overnight (a few live totally in pasture) in the barn. The milk man or maid goes twice a day with warm water and clean towel to clean the teats. There are a few ornery cows but most make me wish someone would pay that much attention to me twice a day.
Everyone I grew up with drank raw milk, without problems. Probably better for it.
I didn’t know they put cows milk in cartons until I went to school in first grade.
Yes; we got ours delivered in glass bottles.
I need to try raw milk.
Shocker that NY is the state where corruption caused a situation where most of us here in the NE cannot get raw milk as it’s deemed illegal. I cannot wait to get the hell outta here!
Daughter was researching best immune benefiting foods for my grand-daughter who went type-1 at 12 and is now 17 ! "RAW MILK" one of the BEST That's why we go to the farm co-op every other week for raw milk, fresh open rage eggs, and cream and 1/4 beef when able ! My daughter even helped milk the cows, to learn about the dairy cows ! OK now tell us all the benefits of raw Milk !
Shocking that the experts lied.
Fascinating and revolting history. Thanks for educating us
I had brucellosis in 1982 and not from drinking raw milk but from exposure working in a USDA NVSL lab because of idiot coworkers. It took a long time to diagnose and even longer to treat.
Growing up, I milked the cow, poured it through cheesecloth, and put in the refrigerator. Drank it, cooked with it (makes better biscuits) until gone. Still alive.
With apparent thyroid issues, my attending MD offered 'NO MILK, reducing calcium', as an alternative. I did see a clip damning current practices for pasturization of milk. So had I the option of including milk in my diet, neither option seems to receive popular support.
I really appreciate the information you've provided here! When will we ever learn. We have the public health stats of improvements from effective sanitation practices. We have puppy illnesses from puppy mill practices. We have regular CDC recalls of contaminated products. A veritable multitude of examples of sloth and bad practices impacting our health.
Do we need incentives for sanitary production, processing and distribution? Recognition for responsible healthy practices? Dissemination of details on best practices?
In the meantime, thank you for your coverage and support for valuable products, responsible producers.
Thank you for the lesson Robert! Much appreciated. I will search out a reputable source near me in Northern Nevada.
not so easy to find. Even here in Minnesota we drive an hour to buy it.
https://www.rawmilkinstitute.org
Let me know too! I think you can get raw milk in Truckee as well.
Here's a Grok dialog on this article and your companion "Well Being: The Truth About Raw Milk" article. After some coaxing, Grok finally says:
"Bottom line: The "hidden" burden of mild/repeated/low-level atopic disease is enormous in aggregate—driving most costs, absences, and QoL hits. Observational data suggest unprocessed milk could meaningfully shrink this via prevention, especially in kids. This supports Malone’s call for better risk-benefit quantification tailored to sourcing quality and demographics, beyond just severe infection counts. Individual families (especially allergy-prone) weigh this against practical sourcing realities."
https://x.com/i/grok/share/dd85643ef4ac4197938ff8bc7e1f2c26
I've been buying grass-fed pasteurized cow's milk for a couple years but recently ran across a dairy where I can buy real raw milk!
This article reminded me of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle," which I've written about here before; a fictional story in which early 20th century Chicago meat packing plants figure prominently. As I think about it, I wonder how many people became vegetarians after reading the book. Horrible conditions.
Yep, a great book James. I read that back in the 60's and was just amazed. I will never forget the parts about all the filth(including humans) solvated into
"Durham's Pure Leaf Lard"!! What a great ironic trademark name for it.
Another example of a Band-Aid approach to fixing a problem. It is my understanding that outdated milk is returned to the milk processor and they re-pasteurize the outdated milk and recycle it. They also use the out dated milk to produce cheese and etc. Nothing is wasted. Nutritional value is not the main goal.
What the heck is the matter with people who will sell their soul for a few shillings? I listened to Jan Jekielek with Jacob Siegel today, and the stakes keep getting higher. This question of whether to take a higher road versus fraud in so many forms is ancient and never-ending it seems. It is just cycling in circles.The saying "Buyer Beware" isn't going away anytime soon. (and I'm not talking raw milk)