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Joy Metcalf's avatar

I continually learn new, unexpected things about you, Dr. Malone! I never thought I'd see Murray Rothbard and the Austrian School of Economics mentioned in your Substack. I stand (happily) corrected.

I often listen to Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (Darkhorse podcast) and they have been extremely vocal about what science is and is not, and how the scientific method has been all but overthrown For this, of course, they are attacked and vilified. No matter, they're all about truth and especially truth in science.

I have long believed that the government does not belong in the funding business, not for science, not for the arts. We've seen how it turns out: government picks winners and losers, often to the detriment of the public. I've heard arguments that it's better than funding by the private sector (the history is rich in the Florentine era) because being "public money", it's actually funded by the public (taxpayers). It is not. It is funded by the bureaucrats who wield the money, and as pointed out, it's doomed to corruption.

"Rothbard understood that the state’s natural condition is to seek out, and where necessary manufacture, crises that justify emergency expansions of its authority." Oh, how well we've seen this over the past many decades! And we're seeing it again in Iran. What is the next crisis? And what is it being manufactured to hide? Central banks were formed to serve the state's wars, and they've done a smashing job of that, selling arms to both sides, selling each state into poverty, taking the citizenry with them.

There's a reason--many reasons--that our founders wanted a limited federal government. Unfortunately, we've ignored them, both the founders and the reasons, and ended up where they told us we should not go.

Larry Cox's avatar

My big question for the libertarians has always been: Why do you expect "non-government" human organizations (businesses) to function that much differently than government ones ("the state")? They are both human organizations, and it would seem to me would both be likely to fall into the same - or similar - traps. Businesses - especially very large ones - have many functions and concerns that overlap with those of The State. They employ large numbers of people, control many resources (land, water, buildings, machines), and make economic (and indeed political) decisions that affect the masses, not just their customers. They have their own bureaucracies and command structures.

So, how will minimizing The State really solve our biggest human problems? It seems to me The State is just a convenient whipping boy.

Joy Metcalf's avatar

The state's function is to get bigger, and as corporations are a creation of the state, they tend to function the same way. It's called fascism.

Yes, both government and businesses are run by humans, but they have different motivations. Churches are also run by humans but charity doesn't usually extend to buying their houses and providing them with food for the rest of their lives.

There will always be humans that seek to do good and those who look out for Number One. What I've found is that those with libertarian leanings aren't so likely to tell someone else how they should live. Most of the libertarians I know do not believe that we can live without any government structure (though anarco-libertarians definitely exist), but believe in extremely limited government.

Fritz Dahmus's avatar

Libertarians count on competition with reasonable oversight in what they call 'The Marketplace of Ideas'. Trust humans they say, but mostly trust competition and the people's power of choosing. Or not choosing. It is not perfect, but it is much better than one entity with all the powers of the country, to make those decisions or even run that process. That's insane....and that's what we have.

D D's avatar

Joy, you might be interested in perusaling some of Dr. Malone's other writings where he mentions Rothbard here and there.

Howard Glicksman M.D.'s avatar

In general I agree. As you said they’re both human institutions so why would be expect otherwise? If I recall, as a physician, I’m considered to be a “professional” which has lost its original meaning. People like me, lawyers, teachers, legislators etc who have power over the vulnerable are called to “profess” that they will use that power for the benefit of others and not their own. One expects businessmen to look out for themselves but professionals are called to a higher standard. This seems to have been corrupted or at least, totally forgotten in our culture.

D D's avatar

I'm assuming you were responding to Larry?

Howard Glicksman M.D.'s avatar

Yes, oops. How did that happen?

D D's avatar

If you address who you are replying to, that helps clarify. The responses don't automatically correspond to the addressee.

Howard Glicksman M.D.'s avatar

Dr. Malone

An anecdote if I may.

When COVID hit in early 2020, I was seeing an elderly hospice patient in her son's home. He advised me, with a severe countenance, that what was happening was related to the "deep state". I didn't even know what that was, and as you can imagine, I looked at him like he was a bit crazy. He told me that in his past life, he had been an event planner who had sometimes organized meetings for them throughout the world (often on remote islands) for planning sessions related to the things like we were then experiencing. At the time I took what he said with a grain of salt (whatever that means), but within a year or two, with what I learned from listening to you, Dr. Peter McCullough, RFK Jr, and many others, I slowly came to realize that he really knew what he was talking about. I have to admit that if the underlying secular humanistic "ethics" I imbibed from my training, the one that currently pervades medicine and our culture (that often justifies the killing of the innocent through abortion and euthanasia), does not return to the natural law contained within an authentic Christian ethics, the one that was proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence, "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain rights..." (see a recent book by John G. West, called The Bible, Science, and the Battle for America's Soul) then I am very pessimistic about what can be done to truly remedy the situation, but applaud your efforts. Being a hospice physician, who's had to review the situation of patients and advise them on their prognosis and viable options, the only way forward that I can see is that we need a sincere revival in Christ!

weedom1's avatar

Yaaaaa, mixing the killing and the healing goes against the natural law, and against the intrinsic worth that our Creator instilled in us.

Jesus had the hardest teachings of all, that we should not even think about decreased human worth nor about any harm nor murder.

Howard Glicksman M.D.'s avatar

Yes, the point about the Hippocratic oath was that at his time back then in Greece, patients couldn’t be sure if their physician would try to cure or kill them. We’ve returned to those times.

weedom1's avatar

Yaaaaa,

(Proclaiming that got me cancelled years ago.)

People still act surprised to hear that the Hippocratic oath is no longer in force. It had been gone from almost all med schools by the 80s specifically to accommodate the abortion and euthanasia.

Mark Brody's avatar

I agree, Howard. Science with no soul cannot be true science. The Rothbardian denouement is one of a spiritually bankrupt civilization, or one that has translocated the aim of its worship from where it should be to Mammon.

D D's avatar

If I had been reading the incredible list of references you display instead of philosophy and inner reflections, (which was my path, instead of science) I would be more knowledgeable of people like Rothbard. "We will be a generation rebuilding what was destroyed" gives me hope for the determination and possibility of humanity taking another step towards awakening out of the self-induced slumber that seems so hard to shake off. Never stop learning, inside and out.

Robert Wistedt's avatar

Why Oh Why can't we put FAUCI = Doctor Death in PRISON ?

dan brandt's avatar

biden pardoned him. whether or not the pardon was legal or not is the first step to determine what the 2nd step is. This country has gone after his number 1 man. I'm sure they will go after many more. I just hope it all happens in time for Fauci to realize his reputation and legacy have been trashed beyond repair. Nothing hits a narcissists any harder.

Larry Cox's avatar

Ask Murray Rothbard.

la chevalerie vit's avatar

The Covid era was a catastrophe indeed: a man-made catastrophe. I’m not talking about any virus that may or may not have been made or existed. The catastrophe was the collective reaction by the govt(s), media, and fellow citizens.

James Schwartz's avatar

Great read Doc! The indictment of Morens has me hoping he is shitting his pants at the time he might get from his possible sentence if found guilty (which should be a slam dunk) and has him singing like a canary so he can weasel out of his sentence but finally shows how Daszak and Collins were integral for Fauci to pull off what he did to us Americans. I want these three sitting in a cell for the rest of their lives for what they did. Getting Fauci of course seems slim as he parades around with that Auto-pen pardon he received when Biden was driving across town to Trumps inauguration. I think it should be challenged though and he surely has done illegal things even before Covid that most likely could get him indicted. There isn’t any reason for these three to be free men. Fauci by the way is doing the exact same thing right now living in Italy. Yup, for those that don’t know he’s over there running their version of the HHS. Still making sure everyone gets their Covid shots as they get produced. It’s appalling really. Keep up the good fight Doc. It’s a hard thing to do especially when it seems pointless because nobody is being held accountable for the scam they pulled on us all.

Jennifer A Runquist's avatar

So much to think about and understand. During 70s, 80s,90s, 2010s, basic science was undergoing massive changes first isolating enzymes from biological sources and getting not large amounts, then DNA sequencing, then producing large amounts of protein enzymes in E. Coli from their piece of DNA, then getting enzyme X-ray structures in our case at Argonne National Labs. Then doing site directed mutagenesis to understand reaction mechanisms.

So not in the realm you are describing as evolving in the same period. However, subsequently experiencing via Covid shot, impairments, I know we get what you are explaining. Especially helpful some of the bibliography describing legislation and naming groups such as Gates influencing vaccination, etc.

I can hardly believe Kennedy has survived this to Fight it! And others such as yourself. What about Rand Paul taking on Fauci in hearings. Great to watch.

I think many of us have gotten the message as to what we are dealing with. As far as our docs, often ok if fixing a broken bone or dealing with a pretty well understood organ, but telling you cholesterol is bad for you, when it is in the same pathway as estrogen and testosterone and all over your body purposefully in membranes, no way. How much money has been made by Pharma with this fantasy problem. We taught med students who really don’t recall their biochemistry.

At any rate I will study this material you provided to solidify my understanding of the process which moved us into a pretty dangerous governmental setup over the decades.

Micheal Nash, Ph. D.'s avatar

Prior to fauci's aids flapdoodle we had Nixon' s war on cancer. Bunches of money handed over to wannabe scientific amateurs who after a decade or so had not saved a single life but blew thru millions.. In my mind this was the beginning of what you describe here as I was watching in unfold working as a tech in a major cancer treatment institute.

weedom1's avatar

Your description of the research environment of 3 and 4 decades ago comports pretty well with my memories of the time. The feeling that newer researchers could still falsify previously respected edifices of 'science' did still exist during my research years.

But I also had the strong impression that many grad students, post doctoral fellows, and professors were like extreme groupies, or religious cult members. This behavior at the associated med school seemed even more pronounced. Sucking up seemed to be the way to get ahead.

Remembering Fauci though the HIV phase of his career, I can't say that he's a creature of his environment, acting as it directed him to do. I do hold him responsible for a good deal of immoral agency. A lot of what Rothbard says about the downsides of fostering and regulating research is true. My tiny brain hooks his forecasting with that of Eisenhower and the military industrial complex.

How do we retain the self regulatory spirit exhibited at Asilomar, without quashing the spirit of free inquiry?

Sadly it seems the cycles of creation and destruction will always occur on account of human nature. Lengthening the creative portion of the cycle is outside of the purview of science.

It has to do with our view of ourselves as creations with intrinsic worth and obligations.

I don't think the Fauci-like individuals see the rest of us this way.

Dr. Robert W. Malone's avatar

Cluster B personalities will do Cluster B stuff.

weedom1's avatar

in a nutshell…..

That teaching about the millstones is for a huge reason.

Sheila Secrist's avatar

After reading about the AIDS times relating to Fauci and where/how he pushed a "medicine" for money (*AZT) and which was killing patients earlier than without treatment, and discovered how he followed the EXACT same pattern with covid and remdesivir, and which took more than 8 years for the truth to finally be revealed, well.... I can only say he's one of the top most evil men to hold position in this country. Whether he pays here on earth or not, when Judgment Day comes he will pay a very, very great price I'm afraid. Frankly, as much as I despise the man I still wouldn't wish all eternity in hell on anyone. I pray he finds salvation before it's too late. But I don't think he's searching for it...

And I pray for more in the sewer, of money instead of science and truth, will come to the truth. I have grandkids I'm concerned for should the Lord tarry.

*There is a great article by Celia Farber in Spin Magazine about Fauci and the AZT scandal. I believe the original article has been revised to reduce Fauci's corruption compared to when I first read it years ago. But I can't prove that.

Dr. Karreman's avatar

Fascinating. The insight you provide into what I've accepted as "corporate capture" goes so much deeper. Thank you for revealing in detail "the long game".

Dr. Robert W. Malone's avatar

excellent. I will cross-post later to try to help amplify your work.

Kimberly “Kim” Wexler, MA JD's avatar

Thank you so much, I appreciate you a ton ❤️🙏🏻

JP's avatar

Is Congresswoman Anna Paulina the only one who does anything in DC?

Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Thank you Dr. Malone! Clarity of analysis of the greatest affront to humanities existence is a seminal moment in time that must be ceased and acted upon. The question is how do we stop this race to oblivion wrapped in scientism? How do we awaken our Executive branch and our Legislative branch to this medical travesty that is still actively being expanded and controlled for the profit motive over good health decisions which should be based on the scientific method that has been side tracked. The gate keepers must be awakened from their long sleep. NOW!

Ellerslie's avatar

For a brilliant, chilling and at times hilarious literary imagining of the soul of scientism, read "That Hideous Strength" by C S Lewis. Better still, listen to it (Geoffrey Howard's performance/Blackstone Audio Books.) You don't have to read the previous 2 in the the trilogy to appreciate it. John Wither and Professor Augustus Frost together provide a prescient preview of high priest Dr Anthony Fauci. From Wiki:

John Wither – Long-winded bureaucrat and Deputy Director of the N.I.C.E. He is the true leader of the N.I.C.E. (National Institute for Co-ordinated Experiments) and a servant of the Macrobes. Long association with them has "withered" his mind, and his speech and thinking are characterized by thought-deadening vagueness and jargon.

Professor Augustus Frost – A psychologist and assistant to Wither, he is the only other N.I.C.E initiate who knows the true nature of the Head and of the Macrobes. He is coldhearted and unemotional and he has an exact, precise manner of speech and thinking.

Sheila Barkofske's avatar

OMG! What a great & needed post. Now this is what ‘facism’ really is. The indictment of Morens brought back to my mind all the impressions I had during his testimony before Congress. Aside from the total disregard for the law (FOIA), I found it hard to believe Morens was capable of being the janitor, much less 2nd in command. Whatever Fauci’s failings, at least, there was a sense of some smarts. “What Fauci did, which the institutional pressures of his role forced him to do, and which his particular temperament made him exceptionally effective at doing”. & therein lies the inevitable poison pill of all the ‘-isms”. In order to keep the narrative going you have to have a bunch of ‘useful idiots’ & that is when the tower collapses - when the institution itself becomes the end game. The real culprit here though is the underlying assumption/cause that there is anything good that could come from or thru the collective. The outlier component here is academia. Wonder how long it will take Morens to flip on Fauci?

Dr. Robert W. Malone's avatar

one can dream...

DaughteroftheKing's avatar

THANK YOU, Dr. Malone, for this METICULOUSLY detailed information written in layman's terms.