I wrote about this in my Substack essay, but when I was pregnant with my first child in 1975, I had a Rubella titer. It was positive. I likely had Rubella when my brother entered first grade in 1958. When the "experts" pronounced that the Covid shot would produce antibodies superior to natural immunity, I didn't buy it. As usual, we need to measure all information against what we see with our eyes and hear with our ears.
That last was one of the claims that really made me shake my head at the COVID hoax debacle. A "vaccine's" immunity is better than a natural one?! That and wondering why people were so spun up about a "lethal virus" that even the government stated was lethal only about 0.3% of the time, and even then mostly amongst old, fat, sick people. And I was only two of those.
But what REALLY made me sure I didn't need any "vaccination" was when "they" started promising me a "free" hamburger or ice cream cone or gift card if I would just go get a "vaccine!"
Incredibly the people who blame Trump for measles outbreaks are the same people that were perfectly fine with letting 20 million unvetted unvaccinated people into America, very idiotic. Just had to get that out of the way!
The human body is amazing. It’s no wonder that a God produced immune response is 1000 times better and more lasting than a man made vaccine. I was born in the years you mentioned where people may benefit from a 2nd dose but I’ve been so turned off by a lifetime of the medical establishment failures, killing my brother, certainly hastened my mother death, and sickened my two remaining siblings. I will never take another shot without serious contemplation, or they tie me down with restraints and physically force me. This is the result of being lied to over and over and over again. Truth attracts people, lies push people away.
I’ll always be dumbfounded that no one has been held accountable for the tens of millions of deaths caused by Fauci’s covid virus and Fauci’s and all his cohorts vaccine he pushed through. Maybe if these butchers start to pay the price for what they did, I’ll gain some trust back.
I'm glad Dr. Malone is taking on this facet of the vaccination question. My wife and I, both retired physicians, are 80ish and both had measles, mumps, and chicken pox. We predate these vaccines! I now feel even more confident that we don't need to buy into any Big Pharma-induced push to get boosters. I have been especially curious to see what Dr. Malone says about Moderna's recently announced mRNA vaccine against influenza. The adaptability of the influenza virus family to put on a new costume every few months makes me think, "So what? It doesn't matter how you make the vaccine; it will still miss its target next year." Pessimistically, I'm feeling the same way about the announcements about targeted mRNA vaccinations against a variety of cancers. One of the hallmarks of many malignancies is their ability to re-emerge after chemo or radiation therapy. These are the most robust cell lines that just put on a new mask. And none of these far-too-optimistic announcements tell us anything about the ramifications of lab-manufactured mRNA packets, lipid-coated or whatever, on other aspects of our physiology or immune system.
Dr. Winslow! I love how substack introduces me to people who lived before events that we read about. I did a research on measles and your comment on predating the vaccines to me tells me that the vaccine itself wasn't needed as mortality rates decreased before the vaccines: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-i-broke-chatgpt-by-asking-about
sanitation has done more good than vaccination -- and if vaccination has a risk, and we have good sanitation, would it not be best to simply take acquired immunity since measles is no longer a death threat?
I agree that no more big pharma push is needed. nature meets and heals us as is
Thanks, Franklin. I don't however believe you can draw a conclusion that measles is "safe" simply from the anecdotal evidence that my wife and I survived it unscathed. There are still many cases in which measles has a terrible outcome. Remember Lord Kelvin's words: "If your knowledge of a subject cannot be expressed in numbers, then it is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind." Dr. Malone always honors us with exhaustive statistical confirmation of his hypotheses and observations. Further, as in today's article and comments, he urges us to think for ourselves. It's interesting that you bring up the matter of sanitation on the emergence of viral epidemics. It has been hypothesized that the polio virus waited until the early 1900's to inflict paralysis on those afflicted because of, not in spite of, of better hygiene. Before 1900, most Americans did not have their own toothbrush and had to share one with the rest of the family. A bath was a weekly phenomenon, and youngsters were unfortunate to find that they were the last members of the family to soak in that water after mom and dad and granddad. Thus the "fecal veneer" (as one of my Med School Professors described it) flourished and ate up the polio virus before it could invade and paralyze FDR and spawn the March of Dimes. We have so much to learn, and thanks to 'science' we march on. Despite what was repeatedly announced when Dr. Fauci was on TV everyday, science is a process, ever unfolding, not a vault with all the answers accessible only to those with the right key.
I read some of this = It would be nice just to have the easier drift of this, Boosters don't work !
Natural immune for life! and that age group is getting really old ! "BUT"
what I want to know what is the likely hood of this vaccine causing my grand daughter's type-1
at 12 years old - what caused her immune system to target her insulin cell makers, there is not record in the family of type-1 - She has a brother on the Autism spectrum, daughter blames
Seems to me this is a case of interfering with the natural process of infection. When I had the measles (twice? rubella and rubeola) ) neither my father or stepmother (who was a nurse) or mother, had any concern or infection. My response was quite severe, probably for many reasons not usually noted, and yet I am one of the people who most likely have natural immunity. Looks like we are in a pickle for many reasons. Most doctors don't have the knowledge and ability to understand the technicalities described here. And, there is no current better solution other than a strong immune system, recognizing bacterial pneumonia, and I don't know what else...
In young children, the measles is a fairly mild disease that provides immunity for life. I was born in 1951 and remember the measles parties that parents would run to infect their kids while they were still young.
While there may be a need for a vaccine for older people where measles can be deadly, the young don’t need it! Let them get the God given immunity that works so well.
I am 84 and at age 6-7spent a 5 hr car ride with a kid who had a raging case of measles. So mom hie'd me to the family g.p. who gave me an antiglobulin shot. Have never had measles. Wonder what my profile is?
I did NOT read or STUDY THE DATA in this article but 3 key words in title play a role in my thinking; “vaccine immunity fades”
As a child I was kept up to date by my parents with government recommended vaccines. I remember in grade school being in line for the polio vaccine. I’m guessing polio, I was a kid, but it took place at the school.
I worked in the medical field as an RN. That title and work environment did not overrule independent thinking. I did not take annual recommended flu vaccine and the last couple of years before retirement the workplace had me in a mask. Work was moving toward a mandatory flu vaccine for employees. All my nursing friends are vaccinated
Have I taken any vaccination and what was the reason I took? Yes. I have done missionary work in South America and the continent of Africa. If my desire to serve was to be fulfilled vaccination was required.
I was vaccinated for Shingles and something else because the doctor suggested and I was in a ‘what the heck’ mood.
Oh, least I forget. Remember the swine flu hysteria in the 70's. I see myself standing in a line of people at the local Middle School to get vaccinated. That incident and my personality probably shaped where I stand on vaccines.
Great discussion on how human's built in immune system functions to protect the body from pathogens. The "U" phenomena reflects that at the beginning of life and at the end of life the immune system is not whole and the goal should be to protect our very young and elderly from exposure to pathogens and to learn how to boost immune system function for all. The decision to place Covid patients in nursing homes in New York was the the height of stupidity. My local Daily Herald continues to publish pro MMR injections as the solution. No mention that Dr. Wakefield's research has validated that MMR injections cause a much higher risk of adverse events including autism and sudden death for new borns whose immune system are NOT whole. Improving prenatal care, reducing infant exposure to pathogens by NOT putting them in day care early and not mandating MMR and 25 vaccines before the infant is 6 month old will go along way to reduce the harm created by not understanding the role of the immune system by our medical system that has lost it's way. .
As I was reading your comment I included breastfeeding in the category of strengthening babies immune system. I breastfed under the worst of circumstances, in the bathroom of the prison that my husband was in. (non-violent crime)
I wrote about this in my Substack essay, but when I was pregnant with my first child in 1975, I had a Rubella titer. It was positive. I likely had Rubella when my brother entered first grade in 1958. When the "experts" pronounced that the Covid shot would produce antibodies superior to natural immunity, I didn't buy it. As usual, we need to measure all information against what we see with our eyes and hear with our ears.
thank you. Think for yourself. you cannot rely on others to do it for you.
That last was one of the claims that really made me shake my head at the COVID hoax debacle. A "vaccine's" immunity is better than a natural one?! That and wondering why people were so spun up about a "lethal virus" that even the government stated was lethal only about 0.3% of the time, and even then mostly amongst old, fat, sick people. And I was only two of those.
But what REALLY made me sure I didn't need any "vaccination" was when "they" started promising me a "free" hamburger or ice cream cone or gift card if I would just go get a "vaccine!"
Incredibly the people who blame Trump for measles outbreaks are the same people that were perfectly fine with letting 20 million unvetted unvaccinated people into America, very idiotic. Just had to get that out of the way!
The human body is amazing. It’s no wonder that a God produced immune response is 1000 times better and more lasting than a man made vaccine. I was born in the years you mentioned where people may benefit from a 2nd dose but I’ve been so turned off by a lifetime of the medical establishment failures, killing my brother, certainly hastened my mother death, and sickened my two remaining siblings. I will never take another shot without serious contemplation, or they tie me down with restraints and physically force me. This is the result of being lied to over and over and over again. Truth attracts people, lies push people away.
I’ll always be dumbfounded that no one has been held accountable for the tens of millions of deaths caused by Fauci’s covid virus and Fauci’s and all his cohorts vaccine he pushed through. Maybe if these butchers start to pay the price for what they did, I’ll gain some trust back.
Unvetted, unvaccinated, and UNTESTED. Requiring any of those of them would be "racist."
But WE all had to go get a "vaccine" or else be fired, banned, etc.
The other day Ron I heard someone say sunblock is racist. The higher the number you use the bigger the racist you are!
You did it again, James. I read "tide down" and cracked up. Was it the tide or tide soap? yuk yuk.
I'm glad Dr. Malone is taking on this facet of the vaccination question. My wife and I, both retired physicians, are 80ish and both had measles, mumps, and chicken pox. We predate these vaccines! I now feel even more confident that we don't need to buy into any Big Pharma-induced push to get boosters. I have been especially curious to see what Dr. Malone says about Moderna's recently announced mRNA vaccine against influenza. The adaptability of the influenza virus family to put on a new costume every few months makes me think, "So what? It doesn't matter how you make the vaccine; it will still miss its target next year." Pessimistically, I'm feeling the same way about the announcements about targeted mRNA vaccinations against a variety of cancers. One of the hallmarks of many malignancies is their ability to re-emerge after chemo or radiation therapy. These are the most robust cell lines that just put on a new mask. And none of these far-too-optimistic announcements tell us anything about the ramifications of lab-manufactured mRNA packets, lipid-coated or whatever, on other aspects of our physiology or immune system.
"80ish and both had measles, mumps, and chicken pox." and yet, somehow, you survived!
Dr. Winslow! I love how substack introduces me to people who lived before events that we read about. I did a research on measles and your comment on predating the vaccines to me tells me that the vaccine itself wasn't needed as mortality rates decreased before the vaccines: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-i-broke-chatgpt-by-asking-about
sanitation has done more good than vaccination -- and if vaccination has a risk, and we have good sanitation, would it not be best to simply take acquired immunity since measles is no longer a death threat?
I agree that no more big pharma push is needed. nature meets and heals us as is
Thanks, Franklin. I don't however believe you can draw a conclusion that measles is "safe" simply from the anecdotal evidence that my wife and I survived it unscathed. There are still many cases in which measles has a terrible outcome. Remember Lord Kelvin's words: "If your knowledge of a subject cannot be expressed in numbers, then it is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind." Dr. Malone always honors us with exhaustive statistical confirmation of his hypotheses and observations. Further, as in today's article and comments, he urges us to think for ourselves. It's interesting that you bring up the matter of sanitation on the emergence of viral epidemics. It has been hypothesized that the polio virus waited until the early 1900's to inflict paralysis on those afflicted because of, not in spite of, of better hygiene. Before 1900, most Americans did not have their own toothbrush and had to share one with the rest of the family. A bath was a weekly phenomenon, and youngsters were unfortunate to find that they were the last members of the family to soak in that water after mom and dad and granddad. Thus the "fecal veneer" (as one of my Med School Professors described it) flourished and ate up the polio virus before it could invade and paralyze FDR and spawn the March of Dimes. We have so much to learn, and thanks to 'science' we march on. Despite what was repeatedly announced when Dr. Fauci was on TV everyday, science is a process, ever unfolding, not a vault with all the answers accessible only to those with the right key.
I read some of this = It would be nice just to have the easier drift of this, Boosters don't work !
Natural immune for life! and that age group is getting really old ! "BUT"
what I want to know what is the likely hood of this vaccine causing my grand daughter's type-1
at 12 years old - what caused her immune system to target her insulin cell makers, there is not record in the family of type-1 - She has a brother on the Autism spectrum, daughter blames
vaccines !
Seems to me this is a case of interfering with the natural process of infection. When I had the measles (twice? rubella and rubeola) ) neither my father or stepmother (who was a nurse) or mother, had any concern or infection. My response was quite severe, probably for many reasons not usually noted, and yet I am one of the people who most likely have natural immunity. Looks like we are in a pickle for many reasons. Most doctors don't have the knowledge and ability to understand the technicalities described here. And, there is no current better solution other than a strong immune system, recognizing bacterial pneumonia, and I don't know what else...
In young children, the measles is a fairly mild disease that provides immunity for life. I was born in 1951 and remember the measles parties that parents would run to infect their kids while they were still young.
While there may be a need for a vaccine for older people where measles can be deadly, the young don’t need it! Let them get the God given immunity that works so well.
I am 84 and at age 6-7spent a 5 hr car ride with a kid who had a raging case of measles. So mom hie'd me to the family g.p. who gave me an antiglobulin shot. Have never had measles. Wonder what my profile is?
I did NOT read or STUDY THE DATA in this article but 3 key words in title play a role in my thinking; “vaccine immunity fades”
As a child I was kept up to date by my parents with government recommended vaccines. I remember in grade school being in line for the polio vaccine. I’m guessing polio, I was a kid, but it took place at the school.
I worked in the medical field as an RN. That title and work environment did not overrule independent thinking. I did not take annual recommended flu vaccine and the last couple of years before retirement the workplace had me in a mask. Work was moving toward a mandatory flu vaccine for employees. All my nursing friends are vaccinated
Have I taken any vaccination and what was the reason I took? Yes. I have done missionary work in South America and the continent of Africa. If my desire to serve was to be fulfilled vaccination was required.
I was vaccinated for Shingles and something else because the doctor suggested and I was in a ‘what the heck’ mood.
Oh, least I forget. Remember the swine flu hysteria in the 70's. I see myself standing in a line of people at the local Middle School to get vaccinated. That incident and my personality probably shaped where I stand on vaccines.
Great discussion on how human's built in immune system functions to protect the body from pathogens. The "U" phenomena reflects that at the beginning of life and at the end of life the immune system is not whole and the goal should be to protect our very young and elderly from exposure to pathogens and to learn how to boost immune system function for all. The decision to place Covid patients in nursing homes in New York was the the height of stupidity. My local Daily Herald continues to publish pro MMR injections as the solution. No mention that Dr. Wakefield's research has validated that MMR injections cause a much higher risk of adverse events including autism and sudden death for new borns whose immune system are NOT whole. Improving prenatal care, reducing infant exposure to pathogens by NOT putting them in day care early and not mandating MMR and 25 vaccines before the infant is 6 month old will go along way to reduce the harm created by not understanding the role of the immune system by our medical system that has lost it's way. .
vaccination comes with costs which are typically unrecognized in the cost/benefit analysis promoted by CDC and "public health experts".
As I was reading your comment I included breastfeeding in the category of strengthening babies immune system. I breastfed under the worst of circumstances, in the bathroom of the prison that my husband was in. (non-violent crime)