I wrote about this in my Substack essay, but when I was pregnant with my first child in 1975, I had a Rubella titer. It was positive. I likely had Rubella when my brother entered first grade in 1958. When the "experts" pronounced that the Covid shot would produce antibodies superior to natural immunity, I didn't buy it. As usual, we need to measure all information against what we see with our eyes and hear with our ears.
did you hear about the mRNA being used in Cancer vaccines.. ? I don't know if they work.. I mean Cancer Vaccines but I saw on the news yesterday.. I don't have much time as usual. today.. I thought of you when I heard this. Yes I know about the measles vaccine.. my sons were immunized on my schedule.. MMR.. because I KNEW better than to give my infants early vaccines.. like you said: educated yourself. ) thank you again
Dr. William Makis, substack: The first person in the world who took Moderna’s mRNA-4157 Cancer vaccine outside of Clinical Trials died recently with no improvement - he was a jabbed Australian Cancer Researcher (@ProfRAScolyer)
2. Moderna’s mRNA Cancer Vaccine is actually 18 to 27 injections (Phase 2 had 27 injections, Phase 3 had 18)
3. Moderna’s mRNA Cancer Vaccine has an upto 36% severe side effect rate (Grade 3+)
4. Moderna didn’t actually give us any results of their Phase 3 INTerpath-001 Trial and Phase 2 results were underwhelming at best
5. Merck actually takes 50% of the profit of every Moderna mRNA Cancer Vaccine sold
This was a Big Pharma bot driven news day with no substance
Haven’t yet, but this needs to be read critically. I believe it was shown to prevent recurrence. Pathology can very accurately predict who will have recurrent disease. Just sayin’…
That last was one of the claims that really made me shake my head at the COVID hoax debacle. A "vaccine's" immunity is better than a natural one?! That and wondering why people were so spun up about a "lethal virus" that even the government stated was lethal only about 0.3% of the time, and even then mostly amongst old, fat, sick people. And I was only two of those.
But what REALLY made me sure I didn't need any "vaccination" was when "they" started promising me a "free" hamburger or ice cream cone or gift card if I would just go get a "vaccine!"
Walgreens is currently offering "rewards" for jab acceptance in their ads.
Also, just for fun, the retail pharmacies and, even such institutions as the Cleveland Clinic are pelting my email with recruiting letters. Methinks that pharmacists must be bailing out in droves.
Do you suppose patients are being provided with these data? /s
“A team of U.S. federal government researchers is warning of a massively elevated risk of stroke among people who have received vaccines for the flu and Covid within close proximity.”
I don't know of anyone taking COVID and flu together, but I do know of one person who almost died from a heart attack and severely impaired cardiac function after getting her much-ballyhooed to me COVID "vaccine." She wasn't a big fan anymore after this, and is still rehabbing. And I do know of at least two people who got their (also much ballyhooed to me) COVID "vaxxes" and then got COVID at least once afterwards. I didn't hear if they got it again. They are still big fans, however. Not much critical thinking there.
Those nonsensical pronouncements about the COVID jabs made me feel more at ease with the early and immediate refusal that I had to do for ethical reasons, and go on doing health care without the "protection".
I was born in 1957 . I turn 69 in to months. I had both the hard red measles and the German measles or Rubella. I never did get the mumps but my husband did. When I got tested for the measles antibodies or whatever they are called in 1978 for my first child,I had the immunity. Fast forward to my last pregnancy in 2004 when I was 46. I was tested again and still showed antibodies for measles. The natural immunity is strong. I was looking for my immune vaccine record my mom had kept but can’t find it. I’ve seen it but can’t find it. I did find my mother’s smallpox vaccine record though. My husband got a notice stating that he needed a MMR booster. My thought was he has the best booster with natural immunity. Great article.
So my generation of natural immunity is getting older Some have died off. What should we do with the younger generation? I remember having the measles. I was sick but got over it . Where natural immunity is better wouldn’t it be better for the younger generation to get the measles and have a life long immunity?
Spot on, Melanie. I too am a Boomer, born in 1957 and caught the Measles in 1960 (4 siblings so, duh). In 2010 I was offered a titer test for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella as opposed to a booster for employment, so I did. The results, each index (antibody) level was elevated well over what is listed as positive and implies immunity. For Measles anything greater than 1.10, mine was 5.00. 50-years after the infection. Natural immunity is best for all, IMHO.
Incredibly the people who blame Trump for measles outbreaks are the same people that were perfectly fine with letting 20 million unvetted unvaccinated people into America, very idiotic. Just had to get that out of the way!
The human body is amazing. It’s no wonder that a God produced immune response is 1000 times better and more lasting than a man made vaccine. I was born in the years you mentioned where people may benefit from a 2nd dose but I’ve been so turned off by a lifetime of the medical establishment failures, killing my brother, certainly hastened my mother death, and sickened my two remaining siblings. I will never take another shot without serious contemplation, or they tie me down with restraints and physically force me. This is the result of being lied to over and over and over again. Truth attracts people, lies push people away.
I’ll always be dumbfounded that no one has been held accountable for the tens of millions of deaths caused by Fauci’s covid virus and Fauci’s and all his cohorts vaccine he pushed through. Maybe if these butchers start to pay the price for what they did, I’ll gain some trust back.
Fauci should have been given his walking papers back in the 1980s, when he refused to endorse the use of the antibiotic Bactrim, for the specific form of pneumonia commonly seen in AIDS patients. Thousands of AIDS patients died needlessly because of Fauci's unwillingness to write the guidelines for physicians treating these patients. Instead, he promoted the use of AZT, a failed cancer drug, that further sickened these patients. Thousands died as a result. Instead of relieving him of his position, he was allowed to resurrect the same playbook during Covid - disallowing HCQ & IVM, & pushing the poorly & inadequately tested experimental "vaccines" on the population along with the deadly drug Remdesivir in the hospitals. Tragically, most hospital administrators went along with the nefarious agenda, disallowing medication that actually worked & pushing harmful & often lethal ones. All of these willing accomplices need to be held accountable for their actions as well as their lack of action when it was most needed.
Knew some of those people who died at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic. People forgot history or never knew this during COVID. If you tried to tell the TV watchers any of this, they told you shut up, the TV is always right instead of questioning anything. They also would tell you no, everything went great during AIDS. And testing was also a mess. It takes time to get answers, but you don't get them by closing your mind to questions.
You also don't get answers when there is a hidden agenda from the outset. In the case of AIDS, Fauci was also hoping for a vaccine. One of the first things I did at the beginning of covid, was to research Fauci's professional history. It told me all I needed to know about the direction that this "pandemic" was likely to take, which turned out to be a scamdemic. Countless millions have paid a very dear price with their health as well as their very lives for blindly following his advice & recommendations. Including the hospital administrators, there are so many complicit actors, that it is mind-boggling.
Your first point is right on. I liked this article by Dr. Malone a lot because it gives some detailed information about many issues that I have been wondering about. In your case, even if you are not going to get another MMR shot, at least you know that you and yours need to enable you to get antibiotics for any secondary upper respiratory infections if you DO get measles. That alone makes this information very valuable for people in your age group.
I'm glad Dr. Malone is taking on this facet of the vaccination question. My wife and I, both retired physicians, are 80ish and both had measles, mumps, and chicken pox. We predate these vaccines! I now feel even more confident that we don't need to buy into any Big Pharma-induced push to get boosters. I have been especially curious to see what Dr. Malone says about Moderna's recently announced mRNA vaccine against influenza. The adaptability of the influenza virus family to put on a new costume every few months makes me think, "So what? It doesn't matter how you make the vaccine; it will still miss its target next year." Pessimistically, I'm feeling the same way about the announcements about targeted mRNA vaccinations against a variety of cancers. One of the hallmarks of many malignancies is their ability to re-emerge after chemo or radiation therapy. These are the most robust cell lines that just put on a new mask. And none of these far-too-optimistic announcements tell us anything about the ramifications of lab-manufactured mRNA packets, lipid-coated or whatever, on other aspects of our physiology or immune system.
Dr. Winslow! I love how substack introduces me to people who lived before events that we read about. I did a research on measles and your comment on predating the vaccines to me tells me that the vaccine itself wasn't needed as mortality rates decreased before the vaccines: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-i-broke-chatgpt-by-asking-about
sanitation has done more good than vaccination -- and if vaccination has a risk, and we have good sanitation, would it not be best to simply take acquired immunity since measles is no longer a death threat?
I agree that no more big pharma push is needed. nature meets and heals us as is
Thanks, Franklin. I don't however believe you can draw a conclusion that measles is "safe" simply from the anecdotal evidence that my wife and I survived it unscathed. There are still many cases in which measles has a terrible outcome. Remember Lord Kelvin's words: "If your knowledge of a subject cannot be expressed in numbers, then it is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind." Dr. Malone always honors us with exhaustive statistical confirmation of his hypotheses and observations. Further, as in today's article and comments, he urges us to think for ourselves. It's interesting that you bring up the matter of sanitation on the emergence of viral epidemics. It has been hypothesized that the polio virus waited until the early 1900's to inflict paralysis on those afflicted because of, not in spite of, of better hygiene. Before 1900, most Americans did not have their own toothbrush and had to share one with the rest of the family. A bath was a weekly phenomenon, and youngsters were unfortunate to find that they were the last members of the family to soak in that water after mom and dad and granddad. Thus the "fecal veneer" (as one of my Med School Professors described it) flourished and ate up the polio virus before it could invade and paralyze FDR and spawn the March of Dimes. We have so much to learn, and thanks to 'science' we march on. Despite what was repeatedly announced when Dr. Fauci was on TV everyday, science is a process, ever unfolding, not a vault with all the answers accessible only to those with the right key.
Great discussion on how human's built in immune system functions to protect the body from pathogens. The "U" phenomena reflects that at the beginning of life and at the end of life the immune system is not whole and the goal should be to protect our very young and elderly from exposure to pathogens and to learn how to boost immune system function for all. The decision to place Covid patients in nursing homes in New York was the the height of stupidity. My local Daily Herald continues to publish pro MMR injections as the solution. No mention that Dr. Wakefield's research has validated that MMR injections cause a much higher risk of adverse events including autism and sudden death for new borns whose immune system are NOT whole. Improving prenatal care, reducing infant exposure to pathogens by NOT putting them in day care early and not mandating MMR and 25 vaccines before the infant is 6 month old will go along way to reduce the harm created by not understanding the role of the immune system by our medical system that has lost it's way. .
As I was reading your comment I included breastfeeding in the category of strengthening babies immune system. I breastfed under the worst of circumstances, in the bathroom of the prison that my husband was in. (non-violent crime)
I am 84 and at age 6-7spent a 5 hr car ride with a kid who had a raging case of measles. So mom hie'd me to the family g.p. who gave me an antiglobulin shot. Have never had measles. Wonder what my profile is?
I read some of this = It would be nice just to have the easier drift of this, Boosters don't work !
Natural immune for life! and that age group is getting really old ! "BUT"
what I want to know what is the likely hood of this vaccine causing my grand daughter's type-1
at 12 years old - what caused her immune system to target her insulin cell makers, there is not record in the family of type-1 - She has a brother on the Autism spectrum, daughter blames
Seems to me this is a case of interfering with the natural process of infection. When I had the measles (twice? rubella and rubeola) ) neither my father or stepmother (who was a nurse) or mother, had any concern or infection. My response was quite severe, probably for many reasons not usually noted, and yet I am one of the people who most likely have natural immunity. Looks like we are in a pickle for many reasons. Most doctors don't have the knowledge and ability to understand the technicalities described here. And, there is no current better solution other than a strong immune system, recognizing bacterial pneumonia, and I don't know what else...
Thank you for this exhaustive discussion. Who knew it was such a complex issue? Great that we have you available to answer with details helpful for we patients. Imo this is a very useful and also for the practioners called on to care for us!
For myself, contracted measles before 1957, had two shingles episodes thus confirming (?) it. So should be good to go.
The info on the year's of the most vulnerable is helpful.
Hope this will be read, digested and available to refresh the physicians caring for us!
With the current outbreaks this should be useful for vulnerable seniors who may end up exposed.
In young children, the measles is a fairly mild disease that provides immunity for life. I was born in 1951 and remember the measles parties that parents would run to infect their kids while they were still young.
While there may be a need for a vaccine for older people where measles can be deadly, the young don’t need it! Let them get the God given immunity that works so well.
My immune system must be a conundrum: I had measles 1962 at age 3 (according to mother) and when vaccines came to the school in later 1960s I was told by school nurse I was not allowed to take it because of certain allergies. My baby brother developed a horrible case of chickenpox in 1964 (so bad that drs thought it was smallpox) while I only had a handful of sores on entire body. In 1969 I got the mumps with very little problems, however my father was 38 at the time and he became EXTREMELY sick but brother didn’t get mumps until 4 years later. Jump ahead to my early teen years and my excema and respiratory allergies were extremely bad so bloodwork and allergy shots were prescribed. ALL titer levels for measles, mumps, and chickenpox showed NO antibodies! With each pregnancy in my 20s & 30s all blood tests continued to show that I had never had the diseases. My oldest child would be purposely sent to play with other kids who had active chickenpox but she never came down with them. Her pediatrician (who had also been mine) finally suggested the varicella vax when she was 16 and helping to take care of an elderly woman with shingles. A couple years later 3 more kids came down with chickenpox (only exposure was from a recently vaccinated neighbor child) and I again had 5 pox at age 42! At age 55 I had another titer test because I was curious (and husband worked at local hospital so we could get free labs) STILL NO IMMUNITY shows up. COVID came to Alaska, I was notified I’d been exposed in early July, no symptoms, then October husband (still working at hospital) got a horrible case complete with blood clots. I never showed symptoms again. Finally got an antigen test which showed I’d probably had the virus previously. I rarely get sick, only go to integrated naturopath dr. God designed our immune system to work…we should get out of the way and let it do its job.
AUSTIN – Attorney General Ken Paxton launched an industry-wide investigation into companies that market and sell products that are labeled as “made with avocado oil.” This follows reports that these products may contain undisclosed seed oils or other ingredients that are not identified on their ingredient labels.
A 2026 UC Davis study tested various products that were labeled as using avocado oil as the sole oil ingredient. The study overwhelmingly found that 93% of chip samples, 71% of mayonnaise samples, and 100% of dressing samples tested contained seed oils despite failure to disclose them in the products’ ingredient lists or elsewhere on the packaging.
I wrote to Primal Kitchen and got a standard response and wrote again and suggested that they start a lawsuit if the information is incorrect. I sited the study with a link. No response...
I was at the grocery store today and picked up a jar of mayonnaise made with avocado oil. I read the label and it also contained canola, sunflower oils. It went back on the shelf!!
Saw that also. Makes me just livid as I had/have come to depend on some of these products. We who are not able to farm and must depend to some extent on these kinds of products would really appreciate some TRUTH in advertising. Shameful!!!
About 400–500 deaths from Measles per year in the early 1960s, dropping to near zero (0–2) in most years since the 1980s. This disease and others were already in steep decline in mortality before the vaccine targeting the germ was introduced. Current statistics of deaths from Measles count children who are immunocompromised or have other health issues (caused by so many childhood vaccinations dragging down their immunity?). Factor in the terrible 1960s' diet into the mortality rate. I remember that "diet" well and was sick all the time (colds, flu, pneumonia). The risk of death in a well nourished American child is very low. Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, pediatrician, in his book, Confessions of a Medical Heretic (1979) noted that childhood diseases like measles, chickenpox and mumps are natural developmental milestones. Kids appeared to make a leap in maturity, speech and overall development after recovering from them. As a homeopathic practitioner, I am aware of the chronic symptoms that can be caused by the childhood vaccines. I may get myself in trouble for making this statement, but here goes: I don't remember any kid on my block growing up in the 1960s who had the measles, mumps or chicken pox who had any lingering health issues afterward. People used to have Chicken Pox parties when one child had symptoms so all the kids would get it and then get past it. Moms were happy. Done-Next!
Thank you! Absolute believe the studies that show that the unvaxxed are healthier overall. Teacher friends say that they can tell the completely unvaxxed children by their calm demeanor, attentiveness and focus. Anecdotal, but I have seen the same.
I remember in grade school in the late 1950s, early 1960s, my classmates sat in their seats and were able to pay attention. Food is a factor here as well. Watch the documentary film, "Supersize Me." Class of middle schoolers in the lunchroom, running around, food fights, loud. They upgraded the menu for a week, I believe, and then filmed them again in the lunchroom. It was the 1950s demeaner. / A bit off topic, but I discovered a month ago that Velveeta cheese that was part of everybody's 1960s diet was actually made of 3 different cheeses and milk back then. Main ingredients now are: Skim Milk
Every time I see a product I recognize from my childhood advertised as "original formula", I look at the ingredients--and they've lied, again. They didn't have corn syrup in the 50's, they didn't use the 1000+ additives that have come along in the past decades, and the substitutes for the originals are not the originals, no matter what they tell you.
Hear! Hear! Homeopaths have long known the problem with vaccines, not just humans, but animals as well. Cancers are now common in dogs and cats, back end weakness and personality change in dogs from multiple rabies vaccines, horses with Rhinopneumonitis vaccines EVERY TWO MONTHS! (What part of doesn't work do they not understand???).
Having been a free subscriber up till now, I just paid for a month solely in order to comment.
I'm 72. I had measles as a child, and possibly German measles too. Had chickenpox, escaped the mumps somehow. I remember standing in line for the polio sugar cube and I think I remember having a smallpox scar. Aside from that, no childhood vaccines, and, for a few years in the 2000s, annual flu vaccines.
I pored over this article for about two hours this morning. I already knew that the immune system is one of the most complex systems in biology, and had more than a basic understanding of it, but this helped fill in a lot of blanks. So thank you, Dr. Malone, for that.
Unfortunately, this article is too long and too complex for most people to wade through, and the popular understanding of immunity, even for those who paid closer attention during Covid, will remain at the level of what can fit on a bumper sticker or a T-shirt.
It is important to distinguish between pathogens that mutate frequently (like influenza and Covid) and measles, which remains static.
WRT measles in particular, I have two questions.
1. (minor question) Re measles infection in childhood causing a two-year reset of the accumulated immunological B-cell memory*, which was masked at the time by the more rapid recovery of circulating lymphocytes. I understand that, and how deaths by secondary bacterial infection were not attributed to the measles, but wouldn't that cohort have experienced all kinds of other infections too? I'm trying to imagine how that could have escaped notice.
* this sounds a lot like hematopoietic stem cell transplant sometimes used for cancer or autoimmune conditions; interesting to wonder how the measles mechanism might be used to address that.
2. (biggest question, again, just addressing measles) There is no question that natural infection is vastly superior to vaccination. Since vaccination, we seem to have painted ourselves into a corner requiring ever-increasing degrees of technological intervention. Has there been any serious consideration, or even study, of the wisdom of ceasing measles vaccination altogether? I figure it would take at least two generations, if not more, to get us back to where we were in the 1950s in terms of herd immunity. This might not be as serious as it sounds considering improved treatment to prevent mortality, including increased awareness of the danger of secondary infections. Has there been any *serious* comparison of risks and benefits, especially the long-term risks which you describe here?
Pediatric cancers are at an all time high, along with autism and other chronic diseases. About time someone started asking why.
Piper-Terry contends that by vaccinating away natural measles, we may have removed a key immune-maturity event, trading short-term prevention for elevated risks of chronic diseases and cancers down the line.”
I had that same question about the 2 to 3 year loss of "recovery". I don't know which infections are dependent upon SLAM or CD150, do you? Related to your second point, I thought his assessment that it will be difficult to develop a challenger to the current MMR due to cost concerns was right, although once upon a time measles, mumps and rubella were separate vaccines. Anyway, there is too much money in the vaccine business for it to go away. They will always argue that the downstream problems related to NOT vaccinating would be worse. Who knows. They might be right in certain cases. But I think it has generally, gone overboard. It could be excessive in the way things are given all at once and excessive cumulatively. Can't disregard harms to individuals, either.
'They will always argue that the downstream problems related to NOT vaccinating would be worse. Who knows.'
That's what I'm asking: has it ever been seriously considered?
I actually doubt that it has because, like you, everybody assumes we can't escape from the trap we've built around ourselves, including the economics of the vaccine business.
Nevertheless, there may be some independent researcher/s out there who have considered the theoretical ramifications and weighed the benefits and risks. That was my question, and only relating to measles because, as a static pathogen, it's different from a lot of the other ones we're dealing with today.
Yes! Measles would be a great test subject. It would be great if independent research on independent vaccines was possible. I constantly write to various entities asking them to look at vaccines independently. I wrote to my local newspaper that editorialized that people should have "faith" in vaccines, and said that no one should have "faith" in vaccines: that they are just another tool in the medical toolbox and should be looked at individually like individual medications are. Of course, the newspaper didn't publish my letter. The current MMR is not the same shot as others previously developed for the same diseases. It's like we are frozen in time and as if we know all that we are going to ever know about everything. There is the conceit that we have already progressed to the best tools ever. If new tools are better, use them. If new tools are worse, don't. If the tools don't work as desired, get rid of them. Things have changed enormously since I was born. I believe they must continue to change. Some dig in and make it political when it is not. My local newspaper editorial board is obviously politically biased.
Tardigrade, I recommend subscribing for more than just a month, I pay every month instead of using the yearly fee which is cheaper. (five + years) The information I have garnered is worth so much more than 5 bucks a month, and I am on Social Security also. Without this monetary support none of this would be available to us. There must be something you spend 5 bucks a month on that could be rerouted to this.
I’m 82. When I was a child the vast majority of children had the measles between 5 and 12. Because generational wisdom had taught the parents that this was the safest time period.
I remember the night I went to my friend’s home because she had the measles. So we slept together in a twin bed to assure that I would get the measles. This was a common practice in our community and I assume others.
They didn’t have the scientific research etc but they paid attention through the years.
I did NOT read or STUDY THE DATA in this article but 3 key words in title play a role in my thinking; “vaccine immunity fades”
As a child I was kept up to date by my parents with government recommended vaccines. I remember in grade school being in line for the polio vaccine. I’m guessing polio, I was a kid, but it took place at the school.
I worked in the medical field as an RN. That title and work environment did not overrule independent thinking. I did not take annual recommended flu vaccine and the last couple of years before retirement the workplace had me in a mask. Work was moving toward a mandatory flu vaccine for employees. All my nursing friends are vaccinated
Have I taken any vaccination and what was the reason I took? Yes. I have done missionary work in South America and the continent of Africa. If my desire to serve was to be fulfilled vaccination was required.
I was vaccinated for Shingles and something else because the doctor suggested and I was in a ‘what the heck’ mood.
Oh, least I forget. Remember the swine flu hysteria in the 70's. I see myself standing in a line of people at the local Middle School to get vaccinated. That incident and my personality probably shaped where I stand on vaccines.
I had the usual childhood measles (both), chicken pox, whooping cough, and scarlet tina (whatever that is) as a child. Probably gave to my younger siblings. Mumps in nursing school…..of all things! Should have stayed at the dorm instead of going home that weekend. I will be 80 in December. At the young age of almost 62, my hospital closed! I wasn’t ready to retire so went through the hospital hiring process. Lab work drawn which showed I had antibodies to all. Hello! We never went to the Dr in my childhood days. I don’t remember a health physical until nursing school at 19! Somewhere, common sense went out the window. Now as a nurse, I appreciate true transparency, accountability and choice. Thank you, again, Dr. Malone for this in depth report. No more jabs for me. As I have stated before, we didn’t take Covid jabs. Something was not right! We did have Delta variant. My husband suffered the worst and I believe caused his dementia onset earlier than it would have been. Again, thanks. Keep up the good work.
I wrote about this in my Substack essay, but when I was pregnant with my first child in 1975, I had a Rubella titer. It was positive. I likely had Rubella when my brother entered first grade in 1958. When the "experts" pronounced that the Covid shot would produce antibodies superior to natural immunity, I didn't buy it. As usual, we need to measure all information against what we see with our eyes and hear with our ears.
thank you. Think for yourself. you cannot rely on others to do it for you.
did you hear about the mRNA being used in Cancer vaccines.. ? I don't know if they work.. I mean Cancer Vaccines but I saw on the news yesterday.. I don't have much time as usual. today.. I thought of you when I heard this. Yes I know about the measles vaccine.. my sons were immunized on my schedule.. MMR.. because I KNEW better than to give my infants early vaccines.. like you said: educated yourself. ) thank you again
Dr. William Makis, substack: The first person in the world who took Moderna’s mRNA-4157 Cancer vaccine outside of Clinical Trials died recently with no improvement - he was a jabbed Australian Cancer Researcher (@ProfRAScolyer)
2. Moderna’s mRNA Cancer Vaccine is actually 18 to 27 injections (Phase 2 had 27 injections, Phase 3 had 18)
3. Moderna’s mRNA Cancer Vaccine has an upto 36% severe side effect rate (Grade 3+)
4. Moderna didn’t actually give us any results of their Phase 3 INTerpath-001 Trial and Phase 2 results were underwhelming at best
5. Merck actually takes 50% of the profit of every Moderna mRNA Cancer Vaccine sold
This was a Big Pharma bot driven news day with no substance
Haven’t yet, but this needs to be read critically. I believe it was shown to prevent recurrence. Pathology can very accurately predict who will have recurrent disease. Just sayin’…
Exactly ‼️
See what you see and think for yourself‼️
The prevailing thought had been that getting infected would produce immunity.
I really don't know when that thought changed.
Even though I feel fortunate that I was infected and that I wasn't vaccinated, I am sad that many of the naturally immune will be dying off.
That last was one of the claims that really made me shake my head at the COVID hoax debacle. A "vaccine's" immunity is better than a natural one?! That and wondering why people were so spun up about a "lethal virus" that even the government stated was lethal only about 0.3% of the time, and even then mostly amongst old, fat, sick people. And I was only two of those.
But what REALLY made me sure I didn't need any "vaccination" was when "they" started promising me a "free" hamburger or ice cream cone or gift card if I would just go get a "vaccine!"
Walgreens is currently offering "rewards" for jab acceptance in their ads.
Also, just for fun, the retail pharmacies and, even such institutions as the Cleveland Clinic are pelting my email with recruiting letters. Methinks that pharmacists must be bailing out in droves.
Do you suppose patients are being provided with these data? /s
“A team of U.S. federal government researchers is warning of a massively elevated risk of stroke among people who have received vaccines for the flu and Covid within close proximity.”
https://prd-tsn-main-api.s3.amazonaws.com/article/8e27368f-c320-4d8a-91af-851c9b701d06.pdf
I'm "sure" it's in Walgreen's small print.
Know of at least two cases in a very small circle.
I don't know of anyone taking COVID and flu together, but I do know of one person who almost died from a heart attack and severely impaired cardiac function after getting her much-ballyhooed to me COVID "vaccine." She wasn't a big fan anymore after this, and is still rehabbing. And I do know of at least two people who got their (also much ballyhooed to me) COVID "vaxxes" and then got COVID at least once afterwards. I didn't hear if they got it again. They are still big fans, however. Not much critical thinking there.
I think they ignore the data because it’s impossible to live with the truth of what may befall them.
Those nonsensical pronouncements about the COVID jabs made me feel more at ease with the early and immediate refusal that I had to do for ethical reasons, and go on doing health care without the "protection".
I was born in 1957 . I turn 69 in to months. I had both the hard red measles and the German measles or Rubella. I never did get the mumps but my husband did. When I got tested for the measles antibodies or whatever they are called in 1978 for my first child,I had the immunity. Fast forward to my last pregnancy in 2004 when I was 46. I was tested again and still showed antibodies for measles. The natural immunity is strong. I was looking for my immune vaccine record my mom had kept but can’t find it. I’ve seen it but can’t find it. I did find my mother’s smallpox vaccine record though. My husband got a notice stating that he needed a MMR booster. My thought was he has the best booster with natural immunity. Great article.
So my generation of natural immunity is getting older Some have died off. What should we do with the younger generation? I remember having the measles. I was sick but got over it . Where natural immunity is better wouldn’t it be better for the younger generation to get the measles and have a life long immunity?
Spot on, Melanie. I too am a Boomer, born in 1957 and caught the Measles in 1960 (4 siblings so, duh). In 2010 I was offered a titer test for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella as opposed to a booster for employment, so I did. The results, each index (antibody) level was elevated well over what is listed as positive and implies immunity. For Measles anything greater than 1.10, mine was 5.00. 50-years after the infection. Natural immunity is best for all, IMHO.
Absolutely
NO!
Incredibly the people who blame Trump for measles outbreaks are the same people that were perfectly fine with letting 20 million unvetted unvaccinated people into America, very idiotic. Just had to get that out of the way!
The human body is amazing. It’s no wonder that a God produced immune response is 1000 times better and more lasting than a man made vaccine. I was born in the years you mentioned where people may benefit from a 2nd dose but I’ve been so turned off by a lifetime of the medical establishment failures, killing my brother, certainly hastened my mother death, and sickened my two remaining siblings. I will never take another shot without serious contemplation, or they tie me down with restraints and physically force me. This is the result of being lied to over and over and over again. Truth attracts people, lies push people away.
I’ll always be dumbfounded that no one has been held accountable for the tens of millions of deaths caused by Fauci’s covid virus and Fauci’s and all his cohorts vaccine he pushed through. Maybe if these butchers start to pay the price for what they did, I’ll gain some trust back.
Fauci should have been given his walking papers back in the 1980s, when he refused to endorse the use of the antibiotic Bactrim, for the specific form of pneumonia commonly seen in AIDS patients. Thousands of AIDS patients died needlessly because of Fauci's unwillingness to write the guidelines for physicians treating these patients. Instead, he promoted the use of AZT, a failed cancer drug, that further sickened these patients. Thousands died as a result. Instead of relieving him of his position, he was allowed to resurrect the same playbook during Covid - disallowing HCQ & IVM, & pushing the poorly & inadequately tested experimental "vaccines" on the population along with the deadly drug Remdesivir in the hospitals. Tragically, most hospital administrators went along with the nefarious agenda, disallowing medication that actually worked & pushing harmful & often lethal ones. All of these willing accomplices need to be held accountable for their actions as well as their lack of action when it was most needed.
Knew some of those people who died at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic. People forgot history or never knew this during COVID. If you tried to tell the TV watchers any of this, they told you shut up, the TV is always right instead of questioning anything. They also would tell you no, everything went great during AIDS. And testing was also a mess. It takes time to get answers, but you don't get them by closing your mind to questions.
You also don't get answers when there is a hidden agenda from the outset. In the case of AIDS, Fauci was also hoping for a vaccine. One of the first things I did at the beginning of covid, was to research Fauci's professional history. It told me all I needed to know about the direction that this "pandemic" was likely to take, which turned out to be a scamdemic. Countless millions have paid a very dear price with their health as well as their very lives for blindly following his advice & recommendations. Including the hospital administrators, there are so many complicit actors, that it is mind-boggling.
Unvetted, unvaccinated, and UNTESTED. Requiring any of those of them would be "racist."
But WE all had to go get a "vaccine" or else be fired, banned, etc.
The other day Ron I heard someone say sunblock is racist. The higher the number you use the bigger the racist you are!
Your first point is right on. I liked this article by Dr. Malone a lot because it gives some detailed information about many issues that I have been wondering about. In your case, even if you are not going to get another MMR shot, at least you know that you and yours need to enable you to get antibiotics for any secondary upper respiratory infections if you DO get measles. That alone makes this information very valuable for people in your age group.
It makes me wonder how many of those illegals brought diseases into our country!!
You did it again, James. I read "tide down" and cracked up. Was it the tide or tide soap? yuk yuk.
I'm glad Dr. Malone is taking on this facet of the vaccination question. My wife and I, both retired physicians, are 80ish and both had measles, mumps, and chicken pox. We predate these vaccines! I now feel even more confident that we don't need to buy into any Big Pharma-induced push to get boosters. I have been especially curious to see what Dr. Malone says about Moderna's recently announced mRNA vaccine against influenza. The adaptability of the influenza virus family to put on a new costume every few months makes me think, "So what? It doesn't matter how you make the vaccine; it will still miss its target next year." Pessimistically, I'm feeling the same way about the announcements about targeted mRNA vaccinations against a variety of cancers. One of the hallmarks of many malignancies is their ability to re-emerge after chemo or radiation therapy. These are the most robust cell lines that just put on a new mask. And none of these far-too-optimistic announcements tell us anything about the ramifications of lab-manufactured mRNA packets, lipid-coated or whatever, on other aspects of our physiology or immune system.
"80ish and both had measles, mumps, and chicken pox." and yet, somehow, you survived!
Dr. Winslow! I love how substack introduces me to people who lived before events that we read about. I did a research on measles and your comment on predating the vaccines to me tells me that the vaccine itself wasn't needed as mortality rates decreased before the vaccines: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-i-broke-chatgpt-by-asking-about
sanitation has done more good than vaccination -- and if vaccination has a risk, and we have good sanitation, would it not be best to simply take acquired immunity since measles is no longer a death threat?
I agree that no more big pharma push is needed. nature meets and heals us as is
Thanks, Franklin. I don't however believe you can draw a conclusion that measles is "safe" simply from the anecdotal evidence that my wife and I survived it unscathed. There are still many cases in which measles has a terrible outcome. Remember Lord Kelvin's words: "If your knowledge of a subject cannot be expressed in numbers, then it is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind." Dr. Malone always honors us with exhaustive statistical confirmation of his hypotheses and observations. Further, as in today's article and comments, he urges us to think for ourselves. It's interesting that you bring up the matter of sanitation on the emergence of viral epidemics. It has been hypothesized that the polio virus waited until the early 1900's to inflict paralysis on those afflicted because of, not in spite of, of better hygiene. Before 1900, most Americans did not have their own toothbrush and had to share one with the rest of the family. A bath was a weekly phenomenon, and youngsters were unfortunate to find that they were the last members of the family to soak in that water after mom and dad and granddad. Thus the "fecal veneer" (as one of my Med School Professors described it) flourished and ate up the polio virus before it could invade and paralyze FDR and spawn the March of Dimes. We have so much to learn, and thanks to 'science' we march on. Despite what was repeatedly announced when Dr. Fauci was on TV everyday, science is a process, ever unfolding, not a vault with all the answers accessible only to those with the right key.
Great discussion on how human's built in immune system functions to protect the body from pathogens. The "U" phenomena reflects that at the beginning of life and at the end of life the immune system is not whole and the goal should be to protect our very young and elderly from exposure to pathogens and to learn how to boost immune system function for all. The decision to place Covid patients in nursing homes in New York was the the height of stupidity. My local Daily Herald continues to publish pro MMR injections as the solution. No mention that Dr. Wakefield's research has validated that MMR injections cause a much higher risk of adverse events including autism and sudden death for new borns whose immune system are NOT whole. Improving prenatal care, reducing infant exposure to pathogens by NOT putting them in day care early and not mandating MMR and 25 vaccines before the infant is 6 month old will go along way to reduce the harm created by not understanding the role of the immune system by our medical system that has lost it's way. .
vaccination comes with costs which are typically unrecognized in the cost/benefit analysis promoted by CDC and "public health experts".
Good summation!
As I was reading your comment I included breastfeeding in the category of strengthening babies immune system. I breastfed under the worst of circumstances, in the bathroom of the prison that my husband was in. (non-violent crime)
I am 84 and at age 6-7spent a 5 hr car ride with a kid who had a raging case of measles. So mom hie'd me to the family g.p. who gave me an antiglobulin shot. Have never had measles. Wonder what my profile is?
I read some of this = It would be nice just to have the easier drift of this, Boosters don't work !
Natural immune for life! and that age group is getting really old ! "BUT"
what I want to know what is the likely hood of this vaccine causing my grand daughter's type-1
at 12 years old - what caused her immune system to target her insulin cell makers, there is not record in the family of type-1 - She has a brother on the Autism spectrum, daughter blames
vaccines !
Seems to me this is a case of interfering with the natural process of infection. When I had the measles (twice? rubella and rubeola) ) neither my father or stepmother (who was a nurse) or mother, had any concern or infection. My response was quite severe, probably for many reasons not usually noted, and yet I am one of the people who most likely have natural immunity. Looks like we are in a pickle for many reasons. Most doctors don't have the knowledge and ability to understand the technicalities described here. And, there is no current better solution other than a strong immune system, recognizing bacterial pneumonia, and I don't know what else...
Thank you for this exhaustive discussion. Who knew it was such a complex issue? Great that we have you available to answer with details helpful for we patients. Imo this is a very useful and also for the practioners called on to care for us!
For myself, contracted measles before 1957, had two shingles episodes thus confirming (?) it. So should be good to go.
The info on the year's of the most vulnerable is helpful.
Hope this will be read, digested and available to refresh the physicians caring for us!
With the current outbreaks this should be useful for vulnerable seniors who may end up exposed.
In young children, the measles is a fairly mild disease that provides immunity for life. I was born in 1951 and remember the measles parties that parents would run to infect their kids while they were still young.
While there may be a need for a vaccine for older people where measles can be deadly, the young don’t need it! Let them get the God given immunity that works so well.
My immune system must be a conundrum: I had measles 1962 at age 3 (according to mother) and when vaccines came to the school in later 1960s I was told by school nurse I was not allowed to take it because of certain allergies. My baby brother developed a horrible case of chickenpox in 1964 (so bad that drs thought it was smallpox) while I only had a handful of sores on entire body. In 1969 I got the mumps with very little problems, however my father was 38 at the time and he became EXTREMELY sick but brother didn’t get mumps until 4 years later. Jump ahead to my early teen years and my excema and respiratory allergies were extremely bad so bloodwork and allergy shots were prescribed. ALL titer levels for measles, mumps, and chickenpox showed NO antibodies! With each pregnancy in my 20s & 30s all blood tests continued to show that I had never had the diseases. My oldest child would be purposely sent to play with other kids who had active chickenpox but she never came down with them. Her pediatrician (who had also been mine) finally suggested the varicella vax when she was 16 and helping to take care of an elderly woman with shingles. A couple years later 3 more kids came down with chickenpox (only exposure was from a recently vaccinated neighbor child) and I again had 5 pox at age 42! At age 55 I had another titer test because I was curious (and husband worked at local hospital so we could get free labs) STILL NO IMMUNITY shows up. COVID came to Alaska, I was notified I’d been exposed in early July, no symptoms, then October husband (still working at hospital) got a horrible case complete with blood clots. I never showed symptoms again. Finally got an antigen test which showed I’d probably had the virus previously. I rarely get sick, only go to integrated naturopath dr. God designed our immune system to work…we should get out of the way and let it do its job.
Blood work only tests for antibodies. T-cell immunity is the a more important factor, and is lifelong after the natural disease.
FYI
AUSTIN – Attorney General Ken Paxton launched an industry-wide investigation into companies that market and sell products that are labeled as “made with avocado oil.” This follows reports that these products may contain undisclosed seed oils or other ingredients that are not identified on their ingredient labels.
A 2026 UC Davis study tested various products that were labeled as using avocado oil as the sole oil ingredient. The study overwhelmingly found that 93% of chip samples, 71% of mayonnaise samples, and 100% of dressing samples tested contained seed oils despite failure to disclose them in the products’ ingredient lists or elsewhere on the packaging.
I wrote to Primal Kitchen and got a standard response and wrote again and suggested that they start a lawsuit if the information is incorrect. I sited the study with a link. No response...
I was at the grocery store today and picked up a jar of mayonnaise made with avocado oil. I read the label and it also contained canola, sunflower oils. It went back on the shelf!!
Saw that also. Makes me just livid as I had/have come to depend on some of these products. We who are not able to farm and must depend to some extent on these kinds of products would really appreciate some TRUTH in advertising. Shameful!!!
About 400–500 deaths from Measles per year in the early 1960s, dropping to near zero (0–2) in most years since the 1980s. This disease and others were already in steep decline in mortality before the vaccine targeting the germ was introduced. Current statistics of deaths from Measles count children who are immunocompromised or have other health issues (caused by so many childhood vaccinations dragging down their immunity?). Factor in the terrible 1960s' diet into the mortality rate. I remember that "diet" well and was sick all the time (colds, flu, pneumonia). The risk of death in a well nourished American child is very low. Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, pediatrician, in his book, Confessions of a Medical Heretic (1979) noted that childhood diseases like measles, chickenpox and mumps are natural developmental milestones. Kids appeared to make a leap in maturity, speech and overall development after recovering from them. As a homeopathic practitioner, I am aware of the chronic symptoms that can be caused by the childhood vaccines. I may get myself in trouble for making this statement, but here goes: I don't remember any kid on my block growing up in the 1960s who had the measles, mumps or chicken pox who had any lingering health issues afterward. People used to have Chicken Pox parties when one child had symptoms so all the kids would get it and then get past it. Moms were happy. Done-Next!
Thank you! Absolute believe the studies that show that the unvaxxed are healthier overall. Teacher friends say that they can tell the completely unvaxxed children by their calm demeanor, attentiveness and focus. Anecdotal, but I have seen the same.
I remember in grade school in the late 1950s, early 1960s, my classmates sat in their seats and were able to pay attention. Food is a factor here as well. Watch the documentary film, "Supersize Me." Class of middle schoolers in the lunchroom, running around, food fights, loud. They upgraded the menu for a week, I believe, and then filmed them again in the lunchroom. It was the 1950s demeaner. / A bit off topic, but I discovered a month ago that Velveeta cheese that was part of everybody's 1960s diet was actually made of 3 different cheeses and milk back then. Main ingredients now are: Skim Milk
Milk
Canola Oil
Milk Protein Concentrate
Sodium Phosphate
Every time I see a product I recognize from my childhood advertised as "original formula", I look at the ingredients--and they've lied, again. They didn't have corn syrup in the 50's, they didn't use the 1000+ additives that have come along in the past decades, and the substitutes for the originals are not the originals, no matter what they tell you.
Thanks again! Agreed! I wondered why I don't like Velveeta any more. Reading ingredients for the last decade has been a real eye-opener.
Hear! Hear! Homeopaths have long known the problem with vaccines, not just humans, but animals as well. Cancers are now common in dogs and cats, back end weakness and personality change in dogs from multiple rabies vaccines, horses with Rhinopneumonitis vaccines EVERY TWO MONTHS! (What part of doesn't work do they not understand???).
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I'm 72. I had measles as a child, and possibly German measles too. Had chickenpox, escaped the mumps somehow. I remember standing in line for the polio sugar cube and I think I remember having a smallpox scar. Aside from that, no childhood vaccines, and, for a few years in the 2000s, annual flu vaccines.
I pored over this article for about two hours this morning. I already knew that the immune system is one of the most complex systems in biology, and had more than a basic understanding of it, but this helped fill in a lot of blanks. So thank you, Dr. Malone, for that.
Unfortunately, this article is too long and too complex for most people to wade through, and the popular understanding of immunity, even for those who paid closer attention during Covid, will remain at the level of what can fit on a bumper sticker or a T-shirt.
It is important to distinguish between pathogens that mutate frequently (like influenza and Covid) and measles, which remains static.
WRT measles in particular, I have two questions.
1. (minor question) Re measles infection in childhood causing a two-year reset of the accumulated immunological B-cell memory*, which was masked at the time by the more rapid recovery of circulating lymphocytes. I understand that, and how deaths by secondary bacterial infection were not attributed to the measles, but wouldn't that cohort have experienced all kinds of other infections too? I'm trying to imagine how that could have escaped notice.
* this sounds a lot like hematopoietic stem cell transplant sometimes used for cancer or autoimmune conditions; interesting to wonder how the measles mechanism might be used to address that.
2. (biggest question, again, just addressing measles) There is no question that natural infection is vastly superior to vaccination. Since vaccination, we seem to have painted ourselves into a corner requiring ever-increasing degrees of technological intervention. Has there been any serious consideration, or even study, of the wisdom of ceasing measles vaccination altogether? I figure it would take at least two generations, if not more, to get us back to where we were in the 1950s in terms of herd immunity. This might not be as serious as it sounds considering improved treatment to prevent mortality, including increased awareness of the danger of secondary infections. Has there been any *serious* comparison of risks and benefits, especially the long-term risks which you describe here?
Pediatric cancers are at an all time high, along with autism and other chronic diseases. About time someone started asking why.
Piper-Terry contends that by vaccinating away natural measles, we may have removed a key immune-maturity event, trading short-term prevention for elevated risks of chronic diseases and cancers down the line.”
https://marcellapiperterry.substack.com/p/measles-and-cancer-measles-can-be
Read the vaxxed unvaxxxed studies. I’ve posted links in many threads.
I had that same question about the 2 to 3 year loss of "recovery". I don't know which infections are dependent upon SLAM or CD150, do you? Related to your second point, I thought his assessment that it will be difficult to develop a challenger to the current MMR due to cost concerns was right, although once upon a time measles, mumps and rubella were separate vaccines. Anyway, there is too much money in the vaccine business for it to go away. They will always argue that the downstream problems related to NOT vaccinating would be worse. Who knows. They might be right in certain cases. But I think it has generally, gone overboard. It could be excessive in the way things are given all at once and excessive cumulatively. Can't disregard harms to individuals, either.
'They will always argue that the downstream problems related to NOT vaccinating would be worse. Who knows.'
That's what I'm asking: has it ever been seriously considered?
I actually doubt that it has because, like you, everybody assumes we can't escape from the trap we've built around ourselves, including the economics of the vaccine business.
Nevertheless, there may be some independent researcher/s out there who have considered the theoretical ramifications and weighed the benefits and risks. That was my question, and only relating to measles because, as a static pathogen, it's different from a lot of the other ones we're dealing with today.
Yes! Measles would be a great test subject. It would be great if independent research on independent vaccines was possible. I constantly write to various entities asking them to look at vaccines independently. I wrote to my local newspaper that editorialized that people should have "faith" in vaccines, and said that no one should have "faith" in vaccines: that they are just another tool in the medical toolbox and should be looked at individually like individual medications are. Of course, the newspaper didn't publish my letter. The current MMR is not the same shot as others previously developed for the same diseases. It's like we are frozen in time and as if we know all that we are going to ever know about everything. There is the conceit that we have already progressed to the best tools ever. If new tools are better, use them. If new tools are worse, don't. If the tools don't work as desired, get rid of them. Things have changed enormously since I was born. I believe they must continue to change. Some dig in and make it political when it is not. My local newspaper editorial board is obviously politically biased.
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I’m 82. When I was a child the vast majority of children had the measles between 5 and 12. Because generational wisdom had taught the parents that this was the safest time period.
I remember the night I went to my friend’s home because she had the measles. So we slept together in a twin bed to assure that I would get the measles. This was a common practice in our community and I assume others.
They didn’t have the scientific research etc but they paid attention through the years.
I did NOT read or STUDY THE DATA in this article but 3 key words in title play a role in my thinking; “vaccine immunity fades”
As a child I was kept up to date by my parents with government recommended vaccines. I remember in grade school being in line for the polio vaccine. I’m guessing polio, I was a kid, but it took place at the school.
I worked in the medical field as an RN. That title and work environment did not overrule independent thinking. I did not take annual recommended flu vaccine and the last couple of years before retirement the workplace had me in a mask. Work was moving toward a mandatory flu vaccine for employees. All my nursing friends are vaccinated
Have I taken any vaccination and what was the reason I took? Yes. I have done missionary work in South America and the continent of Africa. If my desire to serve was to be fulfilled vaccination was required.
I was vaccinated for Shingles and something else because the doctor suggested and I was in a ‘what the heck’ mood.
Oh, least I forget. Remember the swine flu hysteria in the 70's. I see myself standing in a line of people at the local Middle School to get vaccinated. That incident and my personality probably shaped where I stand on vaccines.
I had the usual childhood measles (both), chicken pox, whooping cough, and scarlet tina (whatever that is) as a child. Probably gave to my younger siblings. Mumps in nursing school…..of all things! Should have stayed at the dorm instead of going home that weekend. I will be 80 in December. At the young age of almost 62, my hospital closed! I wasn’t ready to retire so went through the hospital hiring process. Lab work drawn which showed I had antibodies to all. Hello! We never went to the Dr in my childhood days. I don’t remember a health physical until nursing school at 19! Somewhere, common sense went out the window. Now as a nurse, I appreciate true transparency, accountability and choice. Thank you, again, Dr. Malone for this in depth report. No more jabs for me. As I have stated before, we didn’t take Covid jabs. Something was not right! We did have Delta variant. My husband suffered the worst and I believe caused his dementia onset earlier than it would have been. Again, thanks. Keep up the good work.