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sam's avatar

Amen, Dr, Malone. We need more exposure on this subject!

I stopped vaccinating my horses and pets long ago. Every year my horse would get sick for a few days, run a fever and stop eating after getting vaxxed. Not a coincidence. For rabies I started doing a titer. Five years out and the horse was still holding strong. The vet wasn't happy about running a titer, but she did. I didn't explicitly tell her I was stopping all other vaccines, I just didn't show up for clinics and deferred any reminders until "later," which never came. All around us, at the barn, horses suffer from severe allergies, laminitis, cushings, and other afflictions. How many of these are caused by the twice a year insane inoculation schedule? Few question it, and many just pile on the shots as if they're doing a good deed.

I also stopped vaccinating the small animals. Since most came from local shelters, they had the baby series, and that was it. Before I knew any better I lost five cats to cancer. Now I lose them to old age. On the rare occasion we need to go to a vet, I lie and say they're up to date, and yes, I'll email the proof. I never do.

Still, when I try to discuss this issue with pet owners, their eyes glaze over. Must cling to vaccines, no one dares to ask questions. Rarely does anyone listen. Protect your family, furry and otherwise.

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Red green's avatar

Pharma thinks little of infecting and or killing humans for profit. Why would they care about any other living creature??

Wouldn't it be appropriate if all those involved in their apathetic destruction of life had to take their own medicine??

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53rd Chapter's avatar

We had a Maine Coon, Oxford, that nearly died after a rabies vax. Last one he got. We lost him last year to old age. Lock me up, Austin.

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Sheila Secrist's avatar

Was it a 3-year rabies shot that did it? My Tonkinese breeder friend told me a couple decades ago never allow a 3-year rabies shot because it was killing to many cats.

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53rd Chapter's avatar

No, it was a regular rabies shot. My wife reminds me that we also tried external drops for fleas for him. Same reaction. Immediate - foaming at the mouth and labored breathing. She quickly got a soapy rag and tried to wipe it off his skin and he recovered. Guessing 2010 time frame.

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Leo's avatar

Same here!

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KaiteeO's avatar

Many people fall into that glazed over look in their eyes about human vaxes as well….

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Mimi Alberu's avatar

Amen to you as well. I stopped vaccinating my animals decades ago and have seen amazing results in health and longevity. I am an herbalist specializing in animal wellness and am fortunate to have a small animal vet who studied Western herbs with my herbal mentor and teacher. My large animal vet for several decades, while running a conventional practice has seen the results I've achieved with herbs and homeopathy - helping my paint gelding recover from colic multiple times, my cat recover from acute kidney failure and one of my hens recover from congestive heart failure - he's a believer. My morgan mare came to me as a rescue at 21 years old and never had a vaccine or pharmaceutical in the 15 years I had her. She passed last year at 36 1/2. I adopted my 6-yr. old Cattle Dog from a rescue at 3 months and other than the 3-yr. rabies booster mandated by New Hampshire hasn't had any other vaccines, we do titers. They are obscenely expensive compared to vaccines, $275 this year. He had an episode or Lyme and Anaplasmosis that we treated with Western and Chinese herbs, ditto for hot spots. I adopted my two 3-yr. old male cats from a shelter at 5 months, so they had already had the kitten (and final) vaccines. They and their dog brother have always been fed a raw diet and people always comment how amazingly healthy they look. Corporate capture of veterinary medicine is no different than the human equivalent. Most vets, with some notable exceptions, are beholden to petfood companies. The one nutrition class they get in vet school, if any, are "taught" by pet food sales reps - I know this for a fact from a vet friend. Don't stop trying to educate pet parents, it's an incredibly important mission. Tell them about the blogs and articles by Peter Dobias DVM and Karen Becker DVM, and many others in the American Holistic Veterinary Association.

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4Freedom's avatar

“On the rare occasion we need to go to a vet, I lie and say they're up to date, and yes, I'll email the proof. I never do.” Brilliant! I will have to try it next time since I’ve stopped vaxing my dogs. Some of them ask for it up front. What to do? Maybe “forget” to bring it with me? Old brain is conjuring possibilities.

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Dianne Stoess's avatar

I'm a rebel. I didn't lie. I just simply refused the shots and told them why. One vet scolded me and told me the rabies shot is the law in Kentucky. I told her they would just have to arrest me. They didn't.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

give 'em hell Dianne.

That is my demeanor too-- tell them where the hell THEY stand in your eyes because you SEE their lies, errors, and self-ignorant beliefs in their "god".

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Michael Heath's avatar

We absolutely LOVE your comment my friend!

Keep up the good work!

Sincerely, Mike

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Here We Are's avatar

Hear hear!!!! I’ve stopped vaccinating my (small) pets.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

There are a great many parallels regarding animal injections and those mandated for our children and the military. It couldn’t be because most of the major big Pharma drug companies have veterinarian divisions, which include vaccines?? Creating health regulations to promote mandated injections has been on going for many decades.

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LOUMCKENZIE's avatar

...it was likely the pathway for human vaccines.

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Ella Manziek's avatar

The veterinarian industry has gotten so bad that I will never have another dog. I have watched this vaccination disaster unfold over the last 30 years with my small dogs- it is a nightmare, with many dire adverse reactions, certainly in luding early death. And you called the vets and their staff correctly- bullies and liars. And it certainly goes beyond vaccinations- how about all the chemical crap applied topically, ingested or injected to "prevent" and "control" fleas, ticks, heartworms, etc. And people seem oblivious to the itching, scratching, ear problems, etc that plaque our dogs, make their quality of life miserable and their lifetimes too short. So sad. But we are doing the same to our kids. Even sadder.

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sam's avatar

Good point. I comb and kill any fleas, and if things get too nasty, use a flea collar for a few days to break the cycle, then it's off. Diatomaceous earth (food grade) works too.

Fortunately horses don't get fleas :)

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Leo's avatar

Bot Flies though?

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Joy Metcalf's avatar

I learned a while ago that the dose for a Chihuahua and a Great Dane are the same, and was stunned to learn that vets were being censured for cutting the dose to allow for weight differences! I think we should be writing to veterinary associations, and maybe forwarding this Substack as well. Sadly, it may not do any good as almost every medical or veterinary association is funded by Pharma.

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Dianne Stoess's avatar

Dr. Malone has given some links below to forward this article to, but there is much more we can do. Yes. Write veterinary associations. E-mail them and forward this article to them. It's up to us to change this.

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

Anyone thinking of giving their dog Nexgard for fleas, needs to read this: blog.ultimatedog.com/nexgard-for-dogs-a-dangerous-gamble?

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JUDY MORGAN's avatar

I have been speaking out against the isoxazoline class of pesticides for pets for over a decade. They are all neurotoxins that kill thousands of pets.

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

Thank-you, Dr. Morgan. I am a subscriber to your substack & have read some of your advice against their use, including the article cited at the end of the article I linked above. My vet recently prescribed this for one of my dogs. Thankfully, I researched it before giving him a dose. I also sent this article to the vet, in hopes that she & her colleagues in that practice will think twice before giving them to another dog. I don't have high hopes for that, but I felt a responsibility to send her the article.

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

I think you will also find this article, on the topic of vaccines for humans, very enlightening & informative. You may know most of this already, but may wish to share it with others who may not, especially the parents of infants & young children..https://open.substack.com/pub/unbekoming/p/the-unvaccinated-proof-of-what-we?r=9er3b&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

You are REALLY a warrior among us, Debra.

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

Thank-you, pretty-red, old guy!

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gail's avatar

It is unbelievable to me that so many have allow this to continue for so long. Although I do know many have tried to tell the truth and have been silenced. Absolutely evil and heartbreaking.as

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Dianne Stoess's avatar

You were deceived. You didn't know. But now you do. We live and learn, don't we? I got wise after a few years and simply refused. When a vet told me it was the law in KY to have my cats vaccinated for rabies, I told her they'd just have to arrest me then. Her glazed over. No cops came to take me away. The veterinary industry today has become the same as it is for humans. Corrupted through and through. And it's all for the $$$$.

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Annette's avatar

The day my vet wanted to give my dog another rabies vaccine (right after my friend’s dog spent two weeks in a neurological body spasm and then died after his rabies shot) and then told me there was no such VAERS system for pets, was the day my dogs stopping receiving vaccines. My two sister cats have not been to the vet in 15+ years and have not been vaccinated since their 6 wk vaccinations.

It takes two to participate. Do not comply!

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Big E's avatar

Thank you, Annette, for stating what absolutely must be obvious to all — even and especially those who participate in horse shows: DO … NOT … COMPLY! This cannot be stated strongly enough. If people stop complying, they will stop forcing. Yes, you will endure some short-term pain for your decisions, but your animals will live longer, healthier lives.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

Well, Big E, YOU said it. The most obvious thing of all.

Pretty ironic and amazing the situation that Dr. Jill & Robert find themselves embroiled in. It will be at great risk to Dr Malone's horse business, competition, and international credibility if he determines to NOT COMPLY.

I pray he does though.

This MAY be the best time to make the stand.

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Big E's avatar

I know this will be a sacrifice for them, but they've come so far -- under such tough odds already. This IS the time to make a stand.

Expanded thoughts are here: https://www.malone.news/p/usda-our-pets-and-livestock-are-in/comment/148601391

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Dianne Stoess's avatar

YES!

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JUDY MORGAN's avatar

VAERS is run by FDA for pet medications, food, and vaccines.

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Senior Moments's avatar

Excellent information, thank you Dr. Malone. I had a dog that suffered immune mediated hemolytic anemia after being given a rabies shot. When I queried the vet if that could have been the trigger, the answer was an emphatic no. Later on in the treatment protocol, an internal medicine vet said I'd need to get a certificate to excuse this dog from all future vaccines because they could trigger immune mediated hemolytic anemia. ??? Back in the good old days, pups were vaccinated and then boosted, and that was about it for the rest of their lives. Now they get shots yearly and are sicker than ever.

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Dianne Stoess's avatar

...just like humans are getting sicker than ever. The medical and veterinary industries have become pretty much the same.

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IthinkthereforeIam just asking's avatar

Thank you for this alarming, appalling and atrocious information about pet and livestock vaccines.

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Stephen Waters's avatar

Many years ago, the company I worked for was interested in purchasing a used cableway (a type of crane used in dam construction). During the trip, I visited the owner at his ranch. He had a large herd of beef cattle. Interestingly, the cattle he kept for his own use were never vaccinated.

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D D's avatar

Another area of chilling facts of illness and even death just infuriates me! The stories of adverse events just on this SS is enough to make me cry. Why this hasn't been addressed until now (by you) is more of the exact same dilemma we face everywhere, it seems. The reactions from the vet and the brainwashing is the same too. I paid extra money to have a vet who is not indoctrinated, come to the house. Since my cats are not vaccinated except for the ones from the breeder, taking them to a regular vet is out of the question. There are vets who "get it" just not many, just like what we've had to search for ourselves. I need to go do scream therapy now.

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Mimi Alberu's avatar

There are many more than you might think. Check out the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association. https://www.ahvma.org/

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DaughteroftheKing's avatar

THANK YOU for this list!

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D D's avatar

Thank you, the vet I just used is Dr. Susan / cat care clinic. She's listed!

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Dr. Steve Zimmerman's avatar

I think I’m one of your legacy subscribers. Thank you for all you do.

A quick story. In June of 2021 I brought/ bought two Russian Siberian kittens which are half brothers (same father) . In November one became very ill and the vet thought he had Feline Leukemia (only 9 months old) and wanted to do chemotherapy with a prognosis of extending his life a year at best. I passed on that option. With steroids and antibiotics he got somewhat better, but another test came back positive for Feline Interstitial Peritinitis, or FIP. I asked if this was a parasite or viral condition and the Vet said that this was a Corona Virus! I asked, can my other cat contract this and how does a cat get this? She said it is non communicable and it’s unknown how some cats come down with this. The vet said there was no FDA approved treatment and that he was going to die. However, she mentioned there was a Facebook group that had a treatment, but not FDA approved. I was good with that since I’ve never been a fan of the FDA. I contacted the administrator and asked a few questions.

1-What’s the treatment? 3 months of daily injections, followed by 3 monthly blood tests. If the third is clear your cat is considered cured .

2- where’s this drug come from? China

3- what’s it called? REMDESIVIR! I mentioned this drug is very damaging to humans , but the admin said it worked well for cats!

4- How long has this been available. Since approximately 2018!

The good news is my cat responded well to the treatment and is considered cured.

My theory , is that he got this corona virus (different from sars Cov2) from a dirty vaccine. Needless to say, my 16 lb indoor cats will never have another vaccine again!

Thank you again for all you do, as well as your strength and perseverance . As a Chiropractor, I never closed down during Covid and you were a great source of inspiration and information!

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53rd Chapter's avatar

Are you familiar with the subset of chiropractic that specializes in upper cervical adjustment, using well-placed taps? Our daughter suffered from trigeminal neuralgia, aka suicide disease, where it feels like all of your teeth are abscessing at the same time. The chiropractor that was trained in upper cervical literally saved her life. My understanding is that less than 10% of chiropractors are trained in this specialty.

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Dr. Steve Zimmerman's avatar

I am, but I use a different upper cervical technique

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

hmmmm.

I wonder if Fenben and / or Ivermectin would have had an effect?!

Who knows.

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Dianne Stoess's avatar

I have a cat that has HIV, he's 10 1/2 years old and healthy as he can be in all other ways.

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53rd Chapter's avatar

There is a little known fact that prior to qualifying to be a dictator within the horse industry, one must serve for three (3) years as a member of an HOA, which can be reduced to one (1) year if serving as president.

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4Freedom's avatar

So funny! Thanks!

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Carl Nelson's avatar

This needs to change.

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Anne's avatar
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My Tibetan Terrier, died far to young for this breed. Every time I went to the Vet , they wanted to give him more and more vaccines. It seemed like an overload. Also, I noticed they gave the same shot (volume,) whether your animal was 12lbs or125lbs. We don't do that with medications. Why do they do that with vaccines.

I started to feel bullied into vaccination by the Vet and the occasional boarding facility. My observation is that Dog's and Cat's don't seem to die from old age anymore. Everyone I know with a pet has had their animal die from cancer in the last 10 years. Most, way before their time. My dog died from Cancer, which is unheard of, in Tibet, for this breed. They are an ancient dog breed, with a long history of being a hardy breed.

Up until my Tibetan, all my Dog's and Cat's (before this insane vaccine schedule, started in the last 10 years.) All my pets, both the Dogs and Cat's, lived until old age.

The Vaccine schedule needs to be evaluated and revamped, along with a VARS type system applied.

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4Freedom's avatar

Say no to any vax not required by law (rabies). Decide if you want to skip it, too, and run the risk of seizure and destruction. I did and so have many others.

Have blood titers done to set your mind at ease. I found through titers testing for two dogs that they were fully protected 8 years after the last vax. They still died from cancer, but I think it was the earlier years when they were fully vaxed in spite of bad reactions. Their bodies were saying “No” and I wasn’t listening.

I am totally skeptical of anything the medical industry and government officials say. They lie. It’s all about money and control.

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Sue's avatar

Thank you! I stopped vaccinating my Golden Retriever and she has been much healthier! I will share this far and wide.

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Micheal Nash, Ph. D.'s avatar

Becoming painfully clear that the only health the health industry is interested in is the health of their bank accounts.

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Matthew Koch's avatar

The fact that the adverse event data isn’t made public tells you ALL that you need to know.

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LOUMCKENZIE's avatar

In Chattanooga I have been fortunate to have a Vet that is trained in Chinese Veterinarian Medicine. Here is a map in the US: https://watcvm.org/about/practitioner-directory. Not many but enough to begin the countering of vaccines in Veterinary practices. My Vet had to pull in a regular Vet in order to keep herself in business. This branch of healthcare needs to bee updated, just like for humans. Our animals are depending on us humans.

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Leo's avatar

In what ways is the Chinese Vet Med better?

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LOUMCKENZIE's avatar

O, let's see. Rather than drugs, she will prescribe mushrooms, herbs, and there is something she has kept our rescue pup on since we found her feral, with a healed broken front leg, and major trauma. This mushroom laden product is called, REAL MUSHROOM 5 Defenders for Immune Strength. She also has her on SOD Boswellia tablets, and I give her those 1Xday with her meal; using animal food with no grain. Same with my cats: no grain, no dry, Primal raw. My cats live to bee 17+, and when the time comes they began to "go down", there are herbs that help them go easy. On the vaccine issue, her regular Vet holds to the federal requirements. I can resist and refuse, but in the end, the regular Vet is the bad guy. She holds to what the laws are so my Chinese Vet does not get in trouble. It somewhat balances things, but is not enough. I totally agree with what is being said here about this problem....but at least this helps my animals.

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LOUMCKENZIE's avatar

Susan Smith, I also use ThorneVet enzymes called Gut Health Formula sprinkled on their food. Especially with the cats (you know the puking issue?) it helps.

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Mimi Alberu's avatar

Also check out Standard Process's pet line (dog, cat and horse), Mercola's Bark & Whiskers, and Peter Dobias' supplement line.

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Leo's avatar

Thanks for the detail - it all sounds excellent!

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Sheila Secrist's avatar

What specific food do you feed your cats?

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LOUMCKENZIE's avatar

Ok Shelia, this is the "good stuff" due to no kids and only having animals in life: Primal Frozen Nuggets in Beef n Salmon, Wellness Beef and Salmon can (no chix due to one having allergies to it); also a little crunch with Arcana Wild Atlantic. I have 3 cats and they are all 17; rescued from the shelter as kittens. They own me.

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Mimi Alberu's avatar

Yes to Primal Pronto! My cats will only eat the Turkey raw frozen, with Dr. Marty's Nature's Feast (Beef, Poultry and Salmon) freeze dried raw as a topper. Occasional second choice is Instinct freeze dried raw. They won't even eat Wellness canned that my old guy liked. Never been fed kibble since being adopted at 3 months. Their "junk food" treat is Blue Bursts. BTW, dog also gets Primal Pronto, Beef or Lamb.

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Sheila Secrist's avatar

Thank you so much. And for the info on ThorneVet gut health as well, which I ordered last night.

I have been feeding Dr. Elsey's clean protein chicken kibble because it's the only food my Belle doesn't regularly barf up. I spent several hundred dollars on different brands and different protein types, including venison and duck, wet and dry, and they either refused to eat a single bite or Belle would barf it up. All opened bags and remaining cans ended up donated to the shelter here. I hope the ThorneVet will help and maybe allow me to try some other types of food.

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LOUMCKENZIE's avatar

Sheila, my "elders" have always been pukers. I think that is just what cats do. I monitor them, when I put the feed down, by holding them up so they can swallow and take a breath, which seems to keep the food inside long enough so it can "go down" rather than out. The other thing I use is the WavWatch Sound Frequencies for Inflammation, Pain and Trauma. All 3 cats have age related health issues. Inflammation is key to dis-ease. I also use the watch on myself to detox/cleanse heavy metals, etc. Animals are more sensitive to the frequencies than me, but it has been so helpful in keeping them alive this long. Check it out. In the future, I understand it is the cells that will bee treated (the body is always reproducing new cells) and the thought is that the body will become healthier in time. If I'm using the watch, the cats (if they need it) will come to me and lay close. They are much more sensitive than I am....to the frequencies. Good luck. You are a good human, to help animals. The Avatar Meher Baba (in the last century) gave animals a BIG PUSH, so that they can help humans, during these times. Think about that. And think how animals have become much more closer to humans in this century. What would I do without my animals.

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