I edited the conclusion of this essay, as I didn't think carefully enough about what I was writing, but was wrapped in thinking about the data, not about the fact that it might appear as though I was not opposed to mandatory vaccination.
The conclusion now reads:
"The case against universal, mandatory vaccination policies on purely ethical grounds is robust.
However, even among advocates of such policies, the case for universal flu vaccination is considerably more complex and, on balance, not advisable. This is due in part to both the adverse event data and the methodological constraints on the epidemiological data itself."
Keep in mind that the routine annual influenza vaccination recommendation was dropped in the recent vax schedule revision that the Boston fifth district judge has blocked.
I don't agree that the case for universal mandatory vaccination is complicated. It is quite simple, in my opinion. Mandatory vaccination is NEVER acceptable. It is a violation of human rights, and this is corroborated by quite a few who have rendered opinions on this topic previously, including those responsible for the Nuremberg Code (1947), the Declaration of Helsinki (1964 and 2013), UNESCO (Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, 2005), the World Medical Association (Declaration of Geneva, 1948, 2017 and International Code of Medical Ethics 1949, 2022) the International Criminal Court (Rome Statue 1998), and the International Covenant on Civil and Political rights (ICCPR, Article 7). Arguments to the contrary are often proffered by the state, but ethics-based investigators have found these arguments lacking in every case. This does not stop the poisoners from mongering their poisons.
I edited the conclusion of this essay, as I didn't think carefully enough about what I was writing, but was wrapped in thinking about the data, not about the fact that it might appear as though I was not opposed to mandatory vaccination.
The conclusion now reads:
"The case against universal, mandatory vaccination policies on purely ethical grounds is robust.
However, even among advocates of such policies, the case for universal flu vaccination is considerably more complex and, on balance, not advisable. This is due in part to both the adverse event data and the methodological constraints on the epidemiological data itself."
One of the biggest problems I have with almost every vaccine is that it is not delivered the way the natural infection is. Flu is a respiratory illness, so arrives by breathing, not by a puncture, yet the vaccine bypasses all the body's immune responses and delivers the vaccine directly into the body. Then there are the combination vaccine like MMR--when does a child (or anyone) get these diseases all at the same time? Yet we completely disregard nature and deliver them bam, bam, bam! This is so unnatural that it's mind-boggling. Science trying to fix God's mistakes? Such arrogance! No wonder the Law of Unintended Consequences takes charge!
Yes, there are exceptions. Tetanus, as well, even rabies. They still have side effects, though. Dogs given several rabies vaccine end up having vaccinosis effects that mirror rabies symptoms. That doesn't mean that animals in high risk situations shouldn't get them, but it does mean duration of immunity is something that is important to look at.
We copy/pasted the transcript text (minor edits for spelling and formatting only). It's about the dangers of rabies shots containing mRNA technology. Most vets have NO CLUE about the vaccines they are giving to animals.
> From Joni,
>
> Dear Malcolm and Dr. McCullough,
>
> In April 25. Our veterinarian doctor gave our 12-year-old dog a rabies shot. I was against giving him the shot.
>
> The vet said she could not extract an abscessed tooth unless he had the rabies shot. Within a few weeks, he quit eating. We spent thousands of dollars to find out what was wrong, including blood work, ultrasound and ??? (not clear from transcript). We did not get a diagnosis.
>
> He improved for a few months, but we could definitely see an enormous change in him, lethargic, sleeping most of the time, et cetera. The last few weeks, he is back to being very sick and not eating. I’m convinced he was given an MRNA rabies shot. That’s where this is going.
>
> Okay. And this was causing him to be failing. We have spent over $1,500 to find the diagnosis and the veterinarian doctor claimed she had no idea what is wrong with him. Please tell me what you think about these rabies vaccines.
>
> I’d appreciate your honest answer. I’ve never heard of that. Have you? RNA rabies.
>
> Answer from Dr. McCullough
>
> I’m going to do a quick look. I I know that Nick Hulscher who’s on the show as well with us.
>
> Yes, oh my gosh, she’s right, Malcolm.
>
> Self-replicating RNA or self-amplifying RNA technology is an emerging next generation approach to pet rabies vaccines designed to provide rapid and durable immunity at much lower doses than conventional vaccines. The new NOBIVAC NXT Rabies by Merck Animal Health is a prominent recently launched authorized line of vaccines that leverages this technology.
>
> Oh my gosh, she’s right. So giving it to the animals is the thing they’re doing then. Yeah, these are self-replicating. And what may have happened is the vaccine is in the body and it’s duplicating itself in the inside the dog’s body and potentially making the dog sick from the vaccine itself.
>
> It’s not like the body can clear it out. The the vaccine has a way of duplicating itself in the in in the animal body. Yeah, yeah. That is frightening.
>
> Frightening, and that is that is a fascinating question to end on right there because I learned something new. I didn’t even know they were doing putting rabies shot. No idea. But we learned something new every day, and there it is.
>
> Malcom
>
> Thank you, Joni, for that question. That’s probably not the answer [you wanted]. Well, you probably suspected it from looking at your question here, Joni. So you suspected.
NOBIVAC NXT will be released in the USA at some point; it is already available in Canada since 2024. The mRNA rabies vaccines has cleared regulatory hurdles, but it is not yet on the list of products approved as a rabies vaccine in any state. There is no evidence of any rollout in the USA yet.
That said, rabies vaccine is always an issue for small dogs, as the USDA only recognizes one-sized dose. A great dane gets the same amount as a Pomeranian. The adverse events rate for small dogs is very significant, but as the USDA doesn't make that data publicly available - we don't know exactly how significant.
Grok confirmed that Nicolas Hulscher, MPH self published an article about it - is not confirmation.
These are the two mRNA vaccines for pets on the market now in the USA:
"> The vet said she could not extract an abscessed tooth unless he had the rabies shot. " That is such crap! I would've found another vet quickly. The rabies shot wouldn't even have taken effect until days or weeks after the surgery. This vet was either brainwashed or forgot how to engage her brain.
I follow Will Falconer, DVM, a homeopathic vet, and he said from the very start DO NOT give any animals any vaccines with mRNA. I warned my sister and anyone else I know who has animals. This platform is unsafe, and yet they're using the Covid rollout as the "proof" of safety!
Having learned a long time ago about duration of immunity, I don't repeat rabies vaccines on my dogs (they do get the initial one since I'm in a rural area where raccoons and skunks abound). If the dog officer comes calling, I'll pay the fine.
I am 72, autoimmune meds from a transplant in 2009. I also had a triple bypass 4+ years ago. I took flu shots from the very beginning when they came out, still got the flu sometimes really bad. After the transplant my transplant team required I took the flu shots which was no problem but I still got sick.
I got my third Covid booster jab along with my flu shot at the same time it's going on three years ago. Got sicker than a dog for a couple weeks. I've quit taking both jabs and have not gotten sick since.
All the discussion about elderly people really needing it makes me wonder but in my case, all of this at this time I'm not going to take another jab.
Anecdotally, we had been taking flu shots "religiously" with the last one in October 2019. A few months later, we got COVID before it even had a name. Sick for about 2 MONTHS (thankfully, never went to hospital, or we wouldn't be writing this today.)
Same here. I took it once 10 years ago a month before going on a cruise. It was highly recommended since so many of us would be 60+. I will never take another flu shot as I had the worst flu for five days I could only consume water and had to have help gettin up to go to the bathroom. If something that’s supposed to keep you from getting that sick isn’t effective, it’s like the Covid jabs, people who took the jabs still got sick. My son took 2 jabs and had Covid 3 times afterward in the course of 9 months. You’d think after having Covid in your 30’s, in good health he would have had some immunity, but apparently not.
Just lost a classmate 4-days ago to Guillain-Barre Syndrome. It effected his breathing/diaphram & he spent the last 4-months in a hospital on a ventilator. Visitation at the funeral home was yesterday. His symptoms apparently developed following a vaccine. My guess is that it was a covid booster shot, but since (17) vaccines are associated with Guillain-Barre, I cannot be sure which one it was. He is being buried today. We were a small, close class & he was a huge part of it. That he had to die from the paralyzing effects of a vaccine is unforgivable.
I’m sorry for your loss. Such a shame he spent his last days on earth on a vent. I cannot imagine both his mental and physical suffering. May he rest in peace.
My husband takes the flu shot every year. He’s 77 and trusts his pharmacist when she tells him there no covid junk in his flu shot. I hope she tells him the truth!
When I worked in a para-government organization to encourage physician offices to give more flu and pneumonia vaccines, I was all in on the flu shot. Then Covid and all lies and obfuscation, and I became skeptical of all vaccines and all out on some. This information is helpful but my skepticism is still very strong.
I understand, it’s like fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Our government pushed the COVID jabs on a population that trusted the CDC, no informed consent, no care for people with covid other than sending them home to take Tylenol. Come back when you’re near death so they could finish the job. I refuse the flu and pneumonia shots my doc tries every year to push. She says well, it’s recommended. I say, the same people who told Americans the covid shots were safe and effective? Those people?
You mentioned how 1st exposure dictates response to later infection and memory Tcells will out produce newly primed Tcells overriding their response. Am fairly sure I had an H1N1 case of flu in early '50s so will that dictate my response today and given the mutation rate of flu bugs how much help could I expect those memory cells of mine?
I had the Hong Kong flu in 1968, a pandemic that killed many people world wide (that was when "pandemic" actually meant mortality). The strain was the H3N2 and I haven't had flu since. It appears to me that the immune system generalizes once you get a natural infection.
Mandatory ? Freedom, bodily autonomy or personal choice are all gone when injections become mandatory. How is it that any of us live today when our ancestors had no access to injections ? We have had influenza vaccines for over 100 years now and we still have influenza. Those charlatans with a horse drawn wagon full of elixir that cures everything have graduated into controlling our healthcare system. They even bought enough of our politicians to now have liability immunity for their elixir.
Note that the health care workers were nailed with the COVID jabs first, and most are mandated to be nailed with the serial flu jabs.
My jabbed colleagues were so much sicker from 2020 thru 2022. I missed no work days.
I also had a practice of paying cash and choosing a different flu jab than was offered at the hospital most of the time, (but have ceased that since I left, since there is no requirement).
What can we do when jabs are sold as preventing disease transmission to others, even when they don't?
For those who want vaccination for their children, it would seem easy enough to at least limit the combinations. Why is that not recommended; too bothersome for numerous visits? Afraid some shots would be missed? Not fulfilling incentives? Even the most simple, uncomplicated approaches are not generally recommended, let alone the more complicated cases. We are our own worst enemy, complacent and uneducated.
Thank you so much for this informative further discussion of the issues of receiving flu shots. It should be in the hands of every practioner to better convey the information their patient needs to reach an informed consent.
You have made the point that each patients situation is unique and deserves individual tailoring. This is surely the case in younger patients.
As one in the senior contingent certainly I should take this advice seriously. One point caught my eye in one of your earlier postings. That a flu shot could negatively impact on my immune systems response to threats of cancer.
For myself, my level of potential exposure is minimal - groceries & Doctors offices. Following your informative reviews, my general health is reasonable. Admittedly, with no advocate, the very idea of hospitalization terrorizes! I'd want to know more about treatments at home.
Again, am so grateful we have
your excellent counsel through these reviews and discussions!
Will keep the points you've offered here in mind.
Have a good one! Hope your upcoming travel wont be as grim as they're reporting.
While this information is what needs to be shared with the public it will likely not be read or understood by the majority of the public and therefore becomes the responsibility of anyone administering the flu vaccine to be knowledgeable about the data and inform the individual being vaccinated of data appropriate to their individual situation.
"The case against universal, mandatory vaccination policies on purely ethical grounds is robust.”. OK!!! I ‘love’. your brain, why didn’t you say that in the first place!!! 😂😂
A very interesting analysis, lots of data. Hopefully i can make a sensible comment... "The relevant question for any vaccine policy is how the risk of harm from the vaccine compares to the risk of harm from the disease it prevents." This statement captures pretty much what I think. But thinking beyond just the named dangers. In a population where only a small percentage actually get a case severe enough to "call it the flu", and the treatments to mitigate and cure even severe cases are well documented and employed, I think the case for even the targeted scenarios Dr Malone considers (was gonna say "supports", but not sure that is correct) is worth the risk of the actual numbers of named damages, along with the other more subtle damages he has outlined. Lots of work being done, people employed, money to be made in vaccines, but really how do they change the the overall situation?
In similar vein, "everybody" got measles in childhood. Yes once in a while someone already compromised died, but all the rest got it and went on. Today we have every child vaccinated, once in a while some still die, but all the rest continue on, but seemingly not so healthily as in the past, no?
I edited the conclusion of this essay, as I didn't think carefully enough about what I was writing, but was wrapped in thinking about the data, not about the fact that it might appear as though I was not opposed to mandatory vaccination.
The conclusion now reads:
"The case against universal, mandatory vaccination policies on purely ethical grounds is robust.
However, even among advocates of such policies, the case for universal flu vaccination is considerably more complex and, on balance, not advisable. This is due in part to both the adverse event data and the methodological constraints on the epidemiological data itself."
Keep in mind that the routine annual influenza vaccination recommendation was dropped in the recent vax schedule revision that the Boston fifth district judge has blocked.
I don't agree that the case for universal mandatory vaccination is complicated. It is quite simple, in my opinion. Mandatory vaccination is NEVER acceptable. It is a violation of human rights, and this is corroborated by quite a few who have rendered opinions on this topic previously, including those responsible for the Nuremberg Code (1947), the Declaration of Helsinki (1964 and 2013), UNESCO (Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, 2005), the World Medical Association (Declaration of Geneva, 1948, 2017 and International Code of Medical Ethics 1949, 2022) the International Criminal Court (Rome Statue 1998), and the International Covenant on Civil and Political rights (ICCPR, Article 7). Arguments to the contrary are often proffered by the state, but ethics-based investigators have found these arguments lacking in every case. This does not stop the poisoners from mongering their poisons.
I agree that mandates are wrong
Good catch!
I edited the conclusion of this essay, as I didn't think carefully enough about what I was writing, but was wrapped in thinking about the data, not about the fact that it might appear as though I was not opposed to mandatory vaccination.
The conclusion now reads:
"The case against universal, mandatory vaccination policies on purely ethical grounds is robust.
However, even among advocates of such policies, the case for universal flu vaccination is considerably more complex and, on balance, not advisable. This is due in part to both the adverse event data and the methodological constraints on the epidemiological data itself."
One of the biggest problems I have with almost every vaccine is that it is not delivered the way the natural infection is. Flu is a respiratory illness, so arrives by breathing, not by a puncture, yet the vaccine bypasses all the body's immune responses and delivers the vaccine directly into the body. Then there are the combination vaccine like MMR--when does a child (or anyone) get these diseases all at the same time? Yet we completely disregard nature and deliver them bam, bam, bam! This is so unnatural that it's mind-boggling. Science trying to fix God's mistakes? Such arrogance! No wonder the Law of Unintended Consequences takes charge!
Flumist is the exception
FluMist FDA package insert: https://drd9vrdh9yh09.cloudfront.net/50fd68b9-106b-4550-b5d0-12b045f8b184/4c069f99-c2f6-4943-b0f2-884bd8fcaca3/4c069f99-c2f6-4943-b0f2-884bd8fcaca3_viewable_rendition__v.pdf
Lots of warnings and contraindications. See especially section 6.2 Postmarketing Experience
Yes, there are exceptions. Tetanus, as well, even rabies. They still have side effects, though. Dogs given several rabies vaccine end up having vaccinosis effects that mirror rabies symptoms. That doesn't mean that animals in high risk situations shouldn't get them, but it does mean duration of immunity is something that is important to look at.
And now, mRNA rabies vaccines are being administered, with some dire effects for the poor doggies.
A question about self-replicating mRNA rabies vaccine from Merck causing illness with dogs was near the end of a podcast at https://www.americaoutloud.news/the-path-to-a-healthier-america-starts-with-sprouting-qa-189/.
We copy/pasted the transcript text (minor edits for spelling and formatting only). It's about the dangers of rabies shots containing mRNA technology. Most vets have NO CLUE about the vaccines they are giving to animals.
> From Joni,
>
> Dear Malcolm and Dr. McCullough,
>
> In April 25. Our veterinarian doctor gave our 12-year-old dog a rabies shot. I was against giving him the shot.
>
> The vet said she could not extract an abscessed tooth unless he had the rabies shot. Within a few weeks, he quit eating. We spent thousands of dollars to find out what was wrong, including blood work, ultrasound and ??? (not clear from transcript). We did not get a diagnosis.
>
> He improved for a few months, but we could definitely see an enormous change in him, lethargic, sleeping most of the time, et cetera. The last few weeks, he is back to being very sick and not eating. I’m convinced he was given an MRNA rabies shot. That’s where this is going.
>
> Okay. And this was causing him to be failing. We have spent over $1,500 to find the diagnosis and the veterinarian doctor claimed she had no idea what is wrong with him. Please tell me what you think about these rabies vaccines.
>
> I’d appreciate your honest answer. I’ve never heard of that. Have you? RNA rabies.
>
> Answer from Dr. McCullough
>
> I’m going to do a quick look. I I know that Nick Hulscher who’s on the show as well with us.
>
> Yes, oh my gosh, she’s right, Malcolm.
>
> Self-replicating RNA or self-amplifying RNA technology is an emerging next generation approach to pet rabies vaccines designed to provide rapid and durable immunity at much lower doses than conventional vaccines. The new NOBIVAC NXT Rabies by Merck Animal Health is a prominent recently launched authorized line of vaccines that leverages this technology.
>
> Oh my gosh, she’s right. So giving it to the animals is the thing they’re doing then. Yeah, these are self-replicating. And what may have happened is the vaccine is in the body and it’s duplicating itself in the inside the dog’s body and potentially making the dog sick from the vaccine itself.
>
> It’s not like the body can clear it out. The the vaccine has a way of duplicating itself in the in in the animal body. Yeah, yeah. That is frightening.
>
> Frightening, and that is that is a fascinating question to end on right there because I learned something new. I didn’t even know they were doing putting rabies shot. No idea. But we learned something new every day, and there it is.
>
> Malcom
>
> Thank you, Joni, for that question. That’s probably not the answer [you wanted]. Well, you probably suspected it from looking at your question here, Joni. So you suspected.
>
> Dr. McCullough just confirmed it.
Links:
* NOBIVAC NXT Rabies (from Grok: https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMi1jb3B5_eb1b0383-fb77-4ed7-827c-30ef4ebc64e9):
* Article by Nicolas Hulscher, MPH: "The mRNA Triple Threat: Genetic Collapse, Instant Biological Damage, and the Pet Vector Danger" (discusses Merck's self-amplifying RNA NOBIVAC NXT Rabies vaccine). https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/the-mrna-triple-threat-genetic-collapse-instant-biological-damage-and-the-pet-vector-danger/
* X post by Hulscher: https://x.com/NicHulscher/status/2032097561457095153
* Merck (very marketing oriented page): https://www.merck-animal-health-usa.com/hub/nobivac/nobivac-nxt/
* Product label: https://merckusa.cvpservice.com/product/basic/view/1047166
* Dr. Judy Morgan: https://drjudymorgan.com/pages/vaccines
NOBIVAC NXT will be released in the USA at some point; it is already available in Canada since 2024. The mRNA rabies vaccines has cleared regulatory hurdles, but it is not yet on the list of products approved as a rabies vaccine in any state. There is no evidence of any rollout in the USA yet.
That said, rabies vaccine is always an issue for small dogs, as the USDA only recognizes one-sized dose. A great dane gets the same amount as a Pomeranian. The adverse events rate for small dogs is very significant, but as the USDA doesn't make that data publicly available - we don't know exactly how significant.
Grok confirmed that Nicolas Hulscher, MPH self published an article about it - is not confirmation.
These are the two mRNA vaccines for pets on the market now in the USA:
Nobivac NXT Canine Flu H3N2 (2024)
Nobivac NXT FeLV (2024)
"> The vet said she could not extract an abscessed tooth unless he had the rabies shot. " That is such crap! I would've found another vet quickly. The rabies shot wouldn't even have taken effect until days or weeks after the surgery. This vet was either brainwashed or forgot how to engage her brain.
I follow Will Falconer, DVM, a homeopathic vet, and he said from the very start DO NOT give any animals any vaccines with mRNA. I warned my sister and anyone else I know who has animals. This platform is unsafe, and yet they're using the Covid rollout as the "proof" of safety!
Having learned a long time ago about duration of immunity, I don't repeat rabies vaccines on my dogs (they do get the initial one since I'm in a rural area where raccoons and skunks abound). If the dog officer comes calling, I'll pay the fine.
And a good deal of extra, undefined junk is injected with every biological drug preparation.
What i found, after taking them, for a number of years = Is that they killed my immune System,
and though I didn't get the FLU, I got one nasty cold after another!
Since I stopped getting that JAB, I get None to very few colds a winter, and haven't had
the flu either !
I am 72, autoimmune meds from a transplant in 2009. I also had a triple bypass 4+ years ago. I took flu shots from the very beginning when they came out, still got the flu sometimes really bad. After the transplant my transplant team required I took the flu shots which was no problem but I still got sick.
I got my third Covid booster jab along with my flu shot at the same time it's going on three years ago. Got sicker than a dog for a couple weeks. I've quit taking both jabs and have not gotten sick since.
All the discussion about elderly people really needing it makes me wonder but in my case, all of this at this time I'm not going to take another jab.
Anecdotally, we had been taking flu shots "religiously" with the last one in October 2019. A few months later, we got COVID before it even had a name. Sick for about 2 MONTHS (thankfully, never went to hospital, or we wouldn't be writing this today.)
Never got the Covid Jab - got something with a low grade 99.4 temp for 14 days
and No other problems ! My daughter and G daughter had it months earlier and were sick about 10 days ! They did "NOT' get jabbed either !
The last time I got the Flu was right after I took the flu vaccine 15 years ago. I stopped taking it and have not had the flu since.
Same here. I took it once 10 years ago a month before going on a cruise. It was highly recommended since so many of us would be 60+. I will never take another flu shot as I had the worst flu for five days I could only consume water and had to have help gettin up to go to the bathroom. If something that’s supposed to keep you from getting that sick isn’t effective, it’s like the Covid jabs, people who took the jabs still got sick. My son took 2 jabs and had Covid 3 times afterward in the course of 9 months. You’d think after having Covid in your 30’s, in good health he would have had some immunity, but apparently not.
Just lost a classmate 4-days ago to Guillain-Barre Syndrome. It effected his breathing/diaphram & he spent the last 4-months in a hospital on a ventilator. Visitation at the funeral home was yesterday. His symptoms apparently developed following a vaccine. My guess is that it was a covid booster shot, but since (17) vaccines are associated with Guillain-Barre, I cannot be sure which one it was. He is being buried today. We were a small, close class & he was a huge part of it. That he had to die from the paralyzing effects of a vaccine is unforgivable.
I’m sorry for your loss. Such a shame he spent his last days on earth on a vent. I cannot imagine both his mental and physical suffering. May he rest in peace.
So sorry for this tragedy with your longtime friend.
Now they are bundling flu and COVID shots, so if one doesn't kill or sicken you, the other might.
My husband takes the flu shot every year. He’s 77 and trusts his pharmacist when she tells him there no covid junk in his flu shot. I hope she tells him the truth!
Just horrible! So sorry for your loss, Debra.
Tragic 🙏🙏🙏
When I worked in a para-government organization to encourage physician offices to give more flu and pneumonia vaccines, I was all in on the flu shot. Then Covid and all lies and obfuscation, and I became skeptical of all vaccines and all out on some. This information is helpful but my skepticism is still very strong.
I understand, it’s like fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Our government pushed the COVID jabs on a population that trusted the CDC, no informed consent, no care for people with covid other than sending them home to take Tylenol. Come back when you’re near death so they could finish the job. I refuse the flu and pneumonia shots my doc tries every year to push. She says well, it’s recommended. I say, the same people who told Americans the covid shots were safe and effective? Those people?
You mentioned how 1st exposure dictates response to later infection and memory Tcells will out produce newly primed Tcells overriding their response. Am fairly sure I had an H1N1 case of flu in early '50s so will that dictate my response today and given the mutation rate of flu bugs how much help could I expect those memory cells of mine?
I had the Hong Kong flu in 1968, a pandemic that killed many people world wide (that was when "pandemic" actually meant mortality). The strain was the H3N2 and I haven't had flu since. It appears to me that the immune system generalizes once you get a natural infection.
I wonder. That is not what Dr.Molones earlier post about memory cells would suggest.
Youngest kid was mostly horizontal for about a week during the big H1N1 season, and the rest of the family was untouched. Mystery.
Yea, so I shall continue to refrain from all Gov and/or pharma pushed drugs.
Mandatory ? Freedom, bodily autonomy or personal choice are all gone when injections become mandatory. How is it that any of us live today when our ancestors had no access to injections ? We have had influenza vaccines for over 100 years now and we still have influenza. Those charlatans with a horse drawn wagon full of elixir that cures everything have graduated into controlling our healthcare system. They even bought enough of our politicians to now have liability immunity for their elixir.
I question the targeting of vaccine mandates.
Note that the health care workers were nailed with the COVID jabs first, and most are mandated to be nailed with the serial flu jabs.
My jabbed colleagues were so much sicker from 2020 thru 2022. I missed no work days.
I also had a practice of paying cash and choosing a different flu jab than was offered at the hospital most of the time, (but have ceased that since I left, since there is no requirement).
What can we do when jabs are sold as preventing disease transmission to others, even when they don't?
For those who want vaccination for their children, it would seem easy enough to at least limit the combinations. Why is that not recommended; too bothersome for numerous visits? Afraid some shots would be missed? Not fulfilling incentives? Even the most simple, uncomplicated approaches are not generally recommended, let alone the more complicated cases. We are our own worst enemy, complacent and uneducated.
Thank you so much for this informative further discussion of the issues of receiving flu shots. It should be in the hands of every practioner to better convey the information their patient needs to reach an informed consent.
You have made the point that each patients situation is unique and deserves individual tailoring. This is surely the case in younger patients.
As one in the senior contingent certainly I should take this advice seriously. One point caught my eye in one of your earlier postings. That a flu shot could negatively impact on my immune systems response to threats of cancer.
For myself, my level of potential exposure is minimal - groceries & Doctors offices. Following your informative reviews, my general health is reasonable. Admittedly, with no advocate, the very idea of hospitalization terrorizes! I'd want to know more about treatments at home.
Again, am so grateful we have
your excellent counsel through these reviews and discussions!
Will keep the points you've offered here in mind.
Have a good one! Hope your upcoming travel wont be as grim as they're reporting.
Off to my eye shot.
While this information is what needs to be shared with the public it will likely not be read or understood by the majority of the public and therefore becomes the responsibility of anyone administering the flu vaccine to be knowledgeable about the data and inform the individual being vaccinated of data appropriate to their individual situation.
"The case against universal, mandatory vaccination policies on purely ethical grounds is robust.”. OK!!! I ‘love’. your brain, why didn’t you say that in the first place!!! 😂😂
A very interesting analysis, lots of data. Hopefully i can make a sensible comment... "The relevant question for any vaccine policy is how the risk of harm from the vaccine compares to the risk of harm from the disease it prevents." This statement captures pretty much what I think. But thinking beyond just the named dangers. In a population where only a small percentage actually get a case severe enough to "call it the flu", and the treatments to mitigate and cure even severe cases are well documented and employed, I think the case for even the targeted scenarios Dr Malone considers (was gonna say "supports", but not sure that is correct) is worth the risk of the actual numbers of named damages, along with the other more subtle damages he has outlined. Lots of work being done, people employed, money to be made in vaccines, but really how do they change the the overall situation?
In similar vein, "everybody" got measles in childhood. Yes once in a while someone already compromised died, but all the rest got it and went on. Today we have every child vaccinated, once in a while some still die, but all the rest continue on, but seemingly not so healthily as in the past, no?