Well, it sounds like our younger generation, no matter the religious background, is getting to be the epitome of the absurd. Both Jews and Christians are prime targets of Muslims and should be joining forces to fight the hate….but NOOOOOOO! Let’s start hating each other instead. :-( Now how STUPID is that?!? Good grief children! Stop wasting your lives on HATE.
My Jewish friend when he was about five 1940! was saved from the Gestapo by a Christian woman who claimed him as her own. The real issue today is beyond the borders of Israel. Extremists exist everywhere some more deadly than others.
If people read the Bible! Isiah 53:10, in the middle of the chapter which Christians agree points directly to Christ, are the words "yet it was the Lord's will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer, and though the Lord makes His life an offering for sin..."
The Jews didn't kill Christ. The Roman's didn't kill Christ. It was our sin. Yours and mine. Period.
Though aptly said, this does not deal with the facts of history.
Those facts, however, in this instance, are not that relevant. The killing of Christ was a story told for a purpose that had little or nothing to do with religious rivalries.
Well done! As usual the truth of what’s really going on at every level is often a matter of people like you willing to take the time to investigate and communicate it to those of us who are willing to read it and sometimes recalibrate our viewpoint based on everything else we’ve been exposed to. It ain’t easy to know what to think about this and everything else that’s going on in the world. I like to think that your background and experience
Wow! Great sleuthing through the layers and holding all the complex and contradictory info in multiple working hypotheses.
I’m guessing no one there drives around with “Coexist” bumper stickers?
If you’re St. Paul, trying to preach and spread the Gospel of an illegal and underground church in a Mediterranean controlled by Rome, to whom are you going to attribute responsibility? Sales 101.
In the Bible, 'The Jews" refers to the leadership, the Pharisees and Sadducees, not the common people. So did they play a role during the crucifixion? Of course. Does that mean all Jews are to blame in some way? Of course not.
I would not presume that their parents are tolerant of this. Apparently since Covid, which was followed by the war, Israel has a lot of disaffected youth who are causing distress to their families and the state.
Oops. Especially with COVID puts you in a good position to have a dispassionate viewpoint. But it’s taking you six articles to establish it. Maybe your “sound-byte” like “funnies” regarding this issue had jaded me but this specific article although it confirmed a lot of what I had heard already was expressed to perfection.
I am not into organized religion...and have never joined a religious organization. However, i am not an atheist, I am totally into the Creator and believe that our Creator made all life. I happen to believe in reincarnation. and believe we are born for lessons and learning; and continual growth from one lifetime to the next. We are here to advance our souls not lower them by sitting in judgment and condemning another soul. I believe the soul goes on; and fervently pray that the world will last.
I believe in reincarnation, too. But subscribe to different findings about why we are on Earth.
How old do you think we are, as souls?
We have had a LONG time to "learn lessons." Apparently there were some we refused to accept, and perhaps we are kept here for that reason. Not all "lessons" after all, result in spiritual growth.
I have to confess I find this spitting on and cursing incredibly childish. Physical assaults and property damage are likely worthy of legal action. Here again, to a lesser degree we have elders training and inciting their youth to hostile actions (albeit to a much lesser degree than with the Iranian sponsored groups).
Your review of "the actual facts and extent" here is outstanding and needs to be provided to every person paying attention and/or in a position to take meaningful action on these matters!
I am admittedly very hostile to anti inadequately informed hostilities including anti-semitism.
I don't hold myself out as having sufficient familiarity with the bible to dive in and offer support for my understandings.
That said my understanding is God held responsibilities for judgments onto himself.
Thus it is God who would judge the immediate perpetrators of the crucifixion and any subsequent peoples involved.
I don't hold those without personal involvements culpable for the acts of their elders. IE - for example - No reparations.
I hope that eventually some adults will take on these issues and your discussion here will be a meaningful insight for their considerations.
"The public outcry began after footage circulated showing ultra-Orthodox individuals spitting on the ground as Christian pilgrims and clergy passed by in the Old City of Jerusalem"
" Ben Gvir gave a radio interview defending the practice of spitting at Christian monks and churches. He called it an ancient Jewish tradition, said he did not think it constituted a violation, and asked why anyone would turn the matter into a criminal one"
I agree, spitting on the ground is not a criminal matter.
Spitting at a person is a different issue. However let me ask how widespread and severe violence against Christians in Jerusalem compared to violence against Jews in New York or Michigan How often such crimes are punished in the US?
I happened to be in Jerusalem on September 27, 2018. Roughly 7,000 Christian Evangelicals from over 100 countries gathered in Jerusalem to participate in the annual Feast of Tabernacles march hosted by the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem (ICEJ). I can't upload my own photos in the chat, here is what I found.
I was in Jerusalem on the 4th of October 2023, and there was another march of Christian pilgrims, just days before the infamous terror attack on the 7th. The streets of Jerusalem were blocked off by the Israeli municipal council to allow the march to be held and a huge crowd of people were gathered to welcome them to the city. Israeli Jews were overwhelmingly supportive and celebrating the occasion. I always think of that day when I hear of people complaining about the treatment of Christians in Israel.
Of course that doesn’t deal with the extremism. We encourage what we tolerate.
Dr Malone, I greatly admire and respect you, but if Christians were spitting upon and harrassing Jews in CONUS it would be front page news. Huckabee is an Israeli asset. Your "moderation" over this issue is, well, just sad. I'm disappointed in you.
Thank you for the clarification. Carlson has become a desperate man for relevance since leaving Network TV. He is starved for attention and has no compunction in sensationalizing a story for "clicks". It is somewhat sad to see him "morph" into the same distorted "yellow" journalism that we have so long criticized coming from the Left.
Well, it sounds like our younger generation, no matter the religious background, is getting to be the epitome of the absurd. Both Jews and Christians are prime targets of Muslims and should be joining forces to fight the hate….but NOOOOOOO! Let’s start hating each other instead. :-( Now how STUPID is that?!? Good grief children! Stop wasting your lives on HATE.
My Jewish friend when he was about five 1940! was saved from the Gestapo by a Christian woman who claimed him as her own. The real issue today is beyond the borders of Israel. Extremists exist everywhere some more deadly than others.
If people read the Bible! Isiah 53:10, in the middle of the chapter which Christians agree points directly to Christ, are the words "yet it was the Lord's will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer, and though the Lord makes His life an offering for sin..."
The Jews didn't kill Christ. The Roman's didn't kill Christ. It was our sin. Yours and mine. Period.
Thank you :)
Though aptly said, this does not deal with the facts of history.
Those facts, however, in this instance, are not that relevant. The killing of Christ was a story told for a purpose that had little or nothing to do with religious rivalries.
Well done! As usual the truth of what’s really going on at every level is often a matter of people like you willing to take the time to investigate and communicate it to those of us who are willing to read it and sometimes recalibrate our viewpoint based on everything else we’ve been exposed to. It ain’t easy to know what to think about this and everything else that’s going on in the world. I like to think that your background and experience
Wonder what the outcome would be if some spit upon armenians beat the living crap out of he spitters.
We experienced that for hundreds of years during the diaspora. Doesn't make what these kids are doing right but does help explain it.
Thank you for the education. Israel appears to be a complicated place to live, though more so if you know very little about it and its history. A
Wow! Great sleuthing through the layers and holding all the complex and contradictory info in multiple working hypotheses.
I’m guessing no one there drives around with “Coexist” bumper stickers?
If you’re St. Paul, trying to preach and spread the Gospel of an illegal and underground church in a Mediterranean controlled by Rome, to whom are you going to attribute responsibility? Sales 101.
right :)
In the Bible, 'The Jews" refers to the leadership, the Pharisees and Sadducees, not the common people. So did they play a role during the crucifixion? Of course. Does that mean all Jews are to blame in some way? Of course not.
Why can’t all parents teach children to respect others no matter what their race or religion? Do Unto Others…
How much respect do you think Haredi Jews get? Now and in the past? So they are treating others as they are treated.
I would not presume that their parents are tolerant of this. Apparently since Covid, which was followed by the war, Israel has a lot of disaffected youth who are causing distress to their families and the state.
Oops. Especially with COVID puts you in a good position to have a dispassionate viewpoint. But it’s taking you six articles to establish it. Maybe your “sound-byte” like “funnies” regarding this issue had jaded me but this specific article although it confirmed a lot of what I had heard already was expressed to perfection.
Glad you stuck!!
I am not into organized religion...and have never joined a religious organization. However, i am not an atheist, I am totally into the Creator and believe that our Creator made all life. I happen to believe in reincarnation. and believe we are born for lessons and learning; and continual growth from one lifetime to the next. We are here to advance our souls not lower them by sitting in judgment and condemning another soul. I believe the soul goes on; and fervently pray that the world will last.
I believe in reincarnation, too. But subscribe to different findings about why we are on Earth.
How old do you think we are, as souls?
We have had a LONG time to "learn lessons." Apparently there were some we refused to accept, and perhaps we are kept here for that reason. Not all "lessons" after all, result in spiritual growth.
I have to confess I find this spitting on and cursing incredibly childish. Physical assaults and property damage are likely worthy of legal action. Here again, to a lesser degree we have elders training and inciting their youth to hostile actions (albeit to a much lesser degree than with the Iranian sponsored groups).
Your review of "the actual facts and extent" here is outstanding and needs to be provided to every person paying attention and/or in a position to take meaningful action on these matters!
I am admittedly very hostile to anti inadequately informed hostilities including anti-semitism.
I don't hold myself out as having sufficient familiarity with the bible to dive in and offer support for my understandings.
That said my understanding is God held responsibilities for judgments onto himself.
Thus it is God who would judge the immediate perpetrators of the crucifixion and any subsequent peoples involved.
I don't hold those without personal involvements culpable for the acts of their elders. IE - for example - No reparations.
I hope that eventually some adults will take on these issues and your discussion here will be a meaningful insight for their considerations.
I think we need a small correction:
"The public outcry began after footage circulated showing ultra-Orthodox individuals spitting on the ground as Christian pilgrims and clergy passed by in the Old City of Jerusalem"
" Ben Gvir gave a radio interview defending the practice of spitting at Christian monks and churches. He called it an ancient Jewish tradition, said he did not think it constituted a violation, and asked why anyone would turn the matter into a criminal one"
I agree, spitting on the ground is not a criminal matter.
Spitting at a person is a different issue. However let me ask how widespread and severe violence against Christians in Jerusalem compared to violence against Jews in New York or Michigan How often such crimes are punished in the US?
I happened to be in Jerusalem on September 27, 2018. Roughly 7,000 Christian Evangelicals from over 100 countries gathered in Jerusalem to participate in the annual Feast of Tabernacles march hosted by the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem (ICEJ). I can't upload my own photos in the chat, here is what I found.
https://www.jpost.com/christianworld/article-703462
Such a moving, uplifting experience. I've talked to some of them after the march. They all paid themselves for travel
However, I agree that the criminal enforcement when' is appropriate and shaming in other cases such as spitting on the ground is overdue.
I was in Jerusalem on the 4th of October 2023, and there was another march of Christian pilgrims, just days before the infamous terror attack on the 7th. The streets of Jerusalem were blocked off by the Israeli municipal council to allow the march to be held and a huge crowd of people were gathered to welcome them to the city. Israeli Jews were overwhelmingly supportive and celebrating the occasion. I always think of that day when I hear of people complaining about the treatment of Christians in Israel.
Of course that doesn’t deal with the extremism. We encourage what we tolerate.
Another great essay. I quote-posted your thread on X https://x.com/PhoenixLady51/status/2086205015618883787
And here's my answer. https://x.com/PhoenixLady51/status/2086210066810798419
Sorry if it's TL:DR.
Dr Malone, I greatly admire and respect you, but if Christians were spitting upon and harrassing Jews in CONUS it would be front page news. Huckabee is an Israeli asset. Your "moderation" over this issue is, well, just sad. I'm disappointed in you.
Thank you for the clarification. Carlson has become a desperate man for relevance since leaving Network TV. He is starved for attention and has no compunction in sensationalizing a story for "clicks". It is somewhat sad to see him "morph" into the same distorted "yellow" journalism that we have so long criticized coming from the Left.